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Thread: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The issue with this Catz is I believe the term "publication" and how broad you want to make it.

    If an online site is considered a publication, then based on what you said "Debate Politics" is part of "The Press". Its something that's put forward that acts as a vehicle for the dissimination of opinion and information.

    Does that make us all journalists?
    The supreme court, in that decision, defined "the press" in the broadest possible sense. If you read the case, it was about a woman disseminating brochures about her religious beliefs. In no way would printed brochures meet the standard of "press" as discussed in this thread, but supreme court determined that they were, in fact, covered.

    If you read Chief Justice Hughes' opinion, you'll see that. It's hard for me to believe, given that standard, that Wikileaks would NOT be covered as "the press."

    As far as DP, I don't know if we would be covered in that capacity, since DP isn't set up as a source of news/information, but it would almost certainly be covered under the first amendment in terms of free expression of speech.

    So...I don't think you're on the right side of interpreting the bill of rights here. However, feel free to link read the decision I linked, and let me know what you think.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think we're so busy being mad at Wiki that we fail to see the bigger picture. Our government completely FAILED. Who is being taken to task for that truth? The usual answer....nobody.
    Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner here. Sloppy information protocols lead to this leak in the first place. If we'd covered our asses, as a country, our butt wouldn't be flapping in the breeze right now.

    It's okay to be angry. It ISN'T okay to use that anger as an excuse for undermining the fundamental principles of liberty in our society.

    We can't ever think about these issues in the short term, y'all. We have to think about what the longterm ramifications would be. And the press in the U.S. has already been significantly stifled in its capacity as watchdog on the government, through many methods.

    Think about the reaction to Rolling Stone magazine when they did the story on Stanley McChrystal. That was the press functioning---as it should. But there was outrage from many quarters because the military has gotten used to a friendly, complacent media that sucks up in exchange for access.

    THAT IS NOT HOW THE PRESS SHOULD FUNCTION.

    If our press were working as it should be in this country, Wikileaks would not have a function in exposing our secrets. But they aren't.

    Who on this thread can even remotely suggest that Bush/Obama were/are held accountable by the press? Hell no, they aren't.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner here. Sloppy information protocols lead to this leak in the first place. If we'd covered our asses, as a country, our butt wouldn't be flapping in the breeze right now.

    It's okay to be angry. It ISN'T okay to use that anger as an excuse for undermining the fundamental principles of liberty in our society.

    We can't ever think about these issues in the short term, y'all. We have to think about what the longterm ramifications would be. And the press in the U.S. has already been significantly stifled in its capacity as watchdog on the government, through many methods.

    Think about the reaction to Rolling Stone magazine when they did the story on Stanley McChrystal. That was the press functioning---as it should. But there was outrage from many quarters because the military has gotten used to a friendly, complacent media that sucks up in exchange for access.

    THAT IS NOT HOW THE PRESS SHOULD FUNCTION.

    If our press were working as it should be in this country, Wikileaks would not have a function in exposing our secrets. But they aren't.

    Who on this thread can even remotely suggest that Bush/Obama were/are held accountable by the press? Hell no, they aren't.
    Even when, for example, MSNBC's evening crew went after Bush for accountability, it was riddled with half-truths and spin; when FNC goes after Obama, it's lies and innuendo. My point being that even when they are seeming to hold one accountable, they do it poorly. The best I've seen is the evening MSNBC crew when they go after Obama, then it seems it's mostly truth.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Even when, for example, MSNBC's evening crew went after Bush for accountability, it was riddled with half-truths and spin; when FNC goes after Obama, it's lies and innuendo. My point being that even when they are seeming to hold one accountable, they do it poorly. The best I've seen is the evening MSNBC crew when they go after Obama, then it seems it's mostly truth.
    I've seen John Stewart do the best job of any media outlet at actually holding politicians, and other media outlets, accountable.

    AND HE IS A DAMN COMEDIAN.

    That should tell us that our press is broken.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've seen John Stewart do the best job of any media outlet at actually holding politicians, and other media outlets, accountable.

    AND HE IS A DAMN COMEDIAN.

    That should tell us that our press is broken.
    I like Jon, he's not a news repeater like all the others who claim to be reporters.

    Pointing out absurdities is a good way to get the news out there.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Wait! We are supposed to consider some radical socialist from another country for protection under out constitutional guarantees. I think not. I bet there is no-one associated with Weaki anything with any journalistic training, character or ethics. I don't know this and don't really care. They are not a U.S. entity and therefore if they do what they are doing it is simply espionage. Also, these documents are the property of our government. They are not public domain. Some are classified, all are sensitive. I've been responsible for classified material. There are criminal penalties for what they have done whether against a government or a corporation. We should go after Assange and most of his cohorts on that basis. Notwithstanding that, they should be designated as terrorists and dealt with under that basis...no fly, no anything.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Thanks CATZ...for the tagline.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Define "press".
    I think at one time it was more honorable than it is today.
    IMO, then, I's say NO; its no better that the graffiti and writing on bathroom walls.
    And, from what little I have seen/heard, this whole thing is over-blown.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    Wait! We are supposed to consider some radical socialist from another country for protection under out constitutional guarantees. I think not. I bet there is no-one associated with Weaki anything with any journalistic training, character or ethics. I don't know this and don't really care. They are not a U.S. entity and therefore if they do what they are doing it is simply espionage. Also, these documents are the property of our government. They are not public domain. Some are classified, all are sensitive. I've been responsible for classified material. There are criminal penalties for what they have done whether against a government or a corporation. We should go after Assange and most of his cohorts on that basis. Notwithstanding that, they should be designated as terrorists and dealt with under that basis...no fly, no anything.
    In other words you don't care about a persons rights. You just care about revenge. Good to know.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Wikileaks is the press inasmuch as they perform a function largely abdicated by the media.
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