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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Another question: does US protection of a free press include foreign websites? The claim has been made repeatedly that Assange is not American, and therefore not bound by US law. Does he then also not get the same protections of US law?
    Interestingly enough much of what is in the Bill of Rights has often been applied to people outside our country. In fact we often use it as a mantra when talking about places like Iraq, Iran etc etc. So while those respective governments might not apply it to its citizens we do and often encourage people to follow such things as free speech and free press. How often have you heard of censorship of the press in a foreign country and US citizens and government condemning that censorship?
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Being in possession is the same thing as stealing with the law. Wikileaks just has to convey the informaiton which they did. Treason applies to Manning. Wikileaks and Assaunge can still be charged as the law is not limited to Americans. He can be tried for espionage.

    Manning and Wikileaks did break the law. Now should they be punished in this day and age, maybe not. But they did break the law.
    Since there are senators that want to change the espionage act enough to be able to prosecute Assaunge I would have to say that no, it doesn't apply to Assaunge.

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I don't think the pentagon papers rule applies here. They are a datawarehouse for sure. But to call a server the press may not be suppored here.
    Considering it was wikileaks that originally gave that information to the NYT's I would have to say that yes the rules would apply.

    PS: if you don't believe me about the senators wanting to change the espionage law go google/bing "shield act".
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I believe he was referring to Manning. However, he has not been charged with treason. As best I can find out, the maximum penalty he faces is 52 years in prison.
    What a shame. He should be charged with it.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so if a I and a bunch of my buddies broke into your house one night and stole your birth cert, driver's license, SS card, etc. and disseminated it to the masses, we would be the "press"?
    The main difference is that the government has no right in covering up there operations. They are supposedly here to "protect and serve". How can you accurately say they are indeed serving us if they don't say what they are doing? You should not treat an individual like the government.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    As brilliant as your post is not, the death penalty is a possible consequence for those involved. Read the law; it is a possible outcome. We don't take treason lightly in this country so I wouldn't even say that death penalty is a far unlikely possibility. But I wouldn't say we will default for it. So I see your fail boat and raise you a

    Charging a foreign national with TREASON is absurd.

    But, I enjoyed your facepalm fail.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    IF those are publications that provide information and/or opinion, then yes, they'd be protected.

    Let me put it like this...PLAYBOY is the press.
    Yeah and Playboy is head and shoulders above Wikileaks.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I would say no because they just seem to be a data warehouse. They don't talk about the documents they release; they just release them to other press entities.
    Here is one instance where Wikileaks did just that:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

    Sunshine Press is something Wikileaks operates and that video includes what I am sure you will notice is commentary on the information. Also, being a data warehouse does not mean they are not a press organization. Really they are a news aggregator of sorts like the Drudge Reports. None of the material is their own really, but often they do provide some unique news coverage as sites like the Drudge Report do on occasion. Also, their behavior with the most recent leaks in contacting news organizations could be seen as akin to the AP's practice of disseminating news stories from members news organizations to other members and even outside news organizations.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Simple question, but harder to answer I think. When we think of the "press", we tend to think of newspapers and more recently, TV news. So what constitutes an organization being part of the "press" with the benefits that implies, and does WikiLeaks qualify?
    I don't know why they wouldn't be part of the press. It seems to me all you need is information and a way to distribute it.


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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    IF those are publications that provide information and/or opinion, then yes, they'd be protected.

    Let me put it like this...PLAYBOY is the press.
    and rumor has it that there are actually written articles in it, with words.....
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    I forget the name of the book I was reading, but IIRC it was written by a well known reporter, and in it he advocated the idea of the press being an additional branch of government, with the primary responsibility of keeping the public informed of everything that the other branches are doing..on a daily basis...or real time transparency.
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