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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    They kind of did break into the governments house. This was classified materials and there as laws in place protecting classified materials. Because they were classified, it not public information. It falls under confidentiality rules no matter if the entity that owns the documents in public.

    I might add that the espionage law essentially makes it illegal to have the documents if the government hasn't given you permission. So Wikileaks did illegally obtain the documents and the death penalty is on the table.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This is why you will rarely find me bashing any one particular political party line. I've been called a liberal, a conservative, a neo-nazi, socialist, and many many other things all because I support things based on things other than party line BS.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    As brilliant as your post is not, the death penalty is a possible consequence for those involved. Read the law; it is a possible outcome. We don't take treason lightly in this country so I wouldn't even say that death penalty is a far unlikely possibility. But I wouldn't say we will default for it. So I see your fail boat and raise you a

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    They kind of did break into the governments house. This was classified materials and there as laws in place protecting classified materials. Because they were classified, it not public information. It falls under confidentiality rules no matter if the entity that owns the documents in public.
    Wikileaks did not break into anyones house. They did not steal the information. Manning did. And I hope that Manning is prosecuted to the fullest extant of the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I might add that the espionage law essentially makes it illegal to have the documents if the government hasn't given you permission. So Wikileaks did illegally obtain the documents and the death penalty is on the table.
    A law which has never been applied successfully against the Press.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    As brilliant as your post is not, the death penalty is a possible consequence for those involved. Read the law; it is a possible outcome. We don't take treason lightly in this country so I wouldn't even say that death penalty is a far unlikely possibility. But I wouldn't say we will default for it. So I see your fail boat and raise you a

    *sigh*

    When are people going to stop saying that wikileaks commited treason? Thier founder Assaunge is NOT an American and has no obligations or duties to America, as such he cannot be tried for treason.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    I feel very torn on this issue, to be honest.

    On the one hand, I think it is vital to protect 1st amendment freedoms (speech, press), and that transparency in government is a good thing.

    On the other hand, pragmatically it is obvious that there are things which, if dissiminated to anyone and everyone, would be damaging to the national security. Among them include technical specs on weapons systems and military comms, actual troop deployments in dangerous areas, war plans, intelligence assets and foreign agents, that sort of thing.

    My libertarian side is tempted to whoop and cheer and say "Cool, we need to shake things up and clear out the cobwebs once in a while!"

    OTOH my conservative side wants to prosecute all Wikilinks people for criminal dissemination of classified documents.

    Is it worth the risk and the damage done to shine that light in there? I remain somewhat undecided.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    *sigh*

    When are people going to stop saying that wikileaks commited treason? Thier founder Assaunge is NOT an American and has no obligations or duties to America, as such he cannot be tried for treason.
    I believe he was referring to Manning. However, he has not been charged with treason. As best I can find out, the maximum penalty he faces is 52 years in prison.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Another question: does US protection of a free press include foreign websites? The claim has been made repeatedly that Assange is not American, and therefore not bound by US law. Does he then also not get the same protections of US law?
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wikileaks did not break into anyones house. They did not steal the information. Manning did. And I hope that Manning is prosecuted to the fullest extant of the law.
    Being in possession is the same thing as stealing with the law. Wikileaks just has to convey the informaiton which they did. Treason applies to Manning. Wikileaks and Assaunge can still be charged as the law is not limited to Americans. He can be tried for espionage.

    Manning and Wikileaks did break the law. Now should they be punished in this day and age, maybe not. But they did break the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A law which has never been applied successfully against the Press.
    I don't think the pentagon papers rule applies here. They are a datawarehouse for sure. But to call a server the press may not be suppored here.

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