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Thread: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    all the info wikileaks has can, in a way, be considered stolen property. it was classified information. the young PVT broke the law and numerous regulations by copying and releasing it.
    So did Daniel Ellsberg, who stole the Pentagon Papers and released them to the New York Times.

    I'd recommend reading the following before commenting further:

    Pentagon Papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so if a I and a bunch of my buddies broke into your house one night and stole your birth cert, driver's license, SS card, etc. and disseminated it to the masses, we would be the "press"?

    the information is truthful and accurate.

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    how far would pleading the 1st amendment get me?
    Not very far since...

    1: you broke into my house. No one from Wikileaks broke into anyones house. So a very bad analogy on your part.

    2: That is private information of a private individual. The government is not a private entity. It is a public entity which is answerable to the public. Again a very bad analogy on your part.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not very far since...

    1: you broke into my house. No one from Wikileaks broke into anyones house. So a very bad analogy on your part.

    2: That is private information of a private individual. The government is not a private entity. It is a public entity which is answerable to the public. Again a very bad analogy on your part.
    does nothing to change the fact that this is classified information that was illegally obtained
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So did Daniel Ellsberg, who stole the Pentagon Papers and released them to the New York Times.

    I'd recommend reading the following before commenting further:

    Pentagon Papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    just because it has been done before doesn't make it right, or legal.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    just because it has been done before doesn't make it right, or legal.
    It was found to be both legal and right in that case. So, actually, it does.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wikileaks is as much a part of the press as is, The Crusader, or, The Final Call
    IF those are publications that provide information and/or opinion, then yes, they'd be protected.

    Let me put it like this...PLAYBOY is the press.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 12-08-10 at 06:40 PM.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    does nothing to change the fact that this is classified information that was illegally obtained
    Illegally obtained by Manning. Not wikileaks. Manning is the one that stole the info and as such should be punished for treason and espionage.

    Since wikileaks is considered a news organization (thanks Catz for post #9) they may legally obtain such stolen information and disseminate it under the 1st amendment. This was shown in the case against the NYT's for publishing the Pentagon Papers.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    This thread just illustrates why...

    1) The Supreme Court is needed.

    2) Being an American is sometimes so complicated.

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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    just because it has been done before doesn't make it right, or legal.
    ummm..if it has been done before and was deemed legal in a court of law then...umm..yeah it's legal.

    As for weather it makes it "right". That is a matter of opinion. One persons wrong is another persons right.
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    Re: Should WikiLeaks be considered part of the Press

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not very far since...

    1: you broke into my house. No one from Wikileaks broke into anyones house. So a very bad analogy on your part.

    2: That is private information of a private individual. The government is not a private entity. It is a public entity which is answerable to the public. Again a very bad analogy on your part.
    They kind of did break into the governments house. This was classified materials and there as laws in place protecting classified materials. Because they were classified, it not public information. It falls under confidentiality rules no matter if the entity that owns the documents in public.

    I might add that the espionage law essentially makes it illegal to have the documents if the government hasn't given you permission. So Wikileaks did illegally obtain the documents and the death penalty is on the table.
    Last edited by hallam; 12-08-10 at 06:49 PM.

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