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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    This thread has given me an idea.

    Best option: Parents (or their equivalent) teach their children (or their equivalent) about drugs, both legal and illegal. Downside is problems resulting from incompetent parents and such.

    Potentially acceptable option: Federally requirement that all children be taught the basics about substance abuse (if this doesn’t happen already)…

    Problem is, I fear in many cases it would be the parents and/or the teachers saying “This is BAD!” And leaving it at that.

    I’m thinking actual explanations of how and why the substances cause issues, and mentions of sometimes positive effects (that bit about red wine comes to mind).

    Additionally, what some have mentioned – make parentally supervised drinking before age 18/21 legal.

    This would allow “hands-on” instruction, if you will.

    “Downside” to that would be the potential for what happens already – parents not supervising their children in regards to substances.

    I’d almost say (in the school idea) have children given (very small!) drinks in class and examine their reactions too it in an essay or whatnot…But that might not end well…
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    This thread has given me an idea.

    Best option: Parents (or their equivalent) teach their children (or their equivalent) about drugs, both legal and illegal. Downside is problems resulting from incompetent parents and such.

    Potentially acceptable option: Federally requirement that all children be taught the basics about substance abuse (if this doesn’t happen already)…

    Problem is, I fear in many cases it would be the parents and/or the teachers saying “This is BAD!” And leaving it at that.

    I’m thinking actual explanations of how and why the substances cause issues, and mentions of sometimes positive effects (that bit about red wine comes to mind).

    Additionally, what some have mentioned – make parentally supervised drinking before age 18/21 legal.

    This would allow “hands-on” instruction, if you will.

    “Downside” to that would be the potential for what happens already – parents not supervising their children in regards to substances.

    I’d almost say (in the school idea) have children given (very small!) drinks in class and examine their reactions too it in an essay or whatnot…But that might not end well…
    If this were to be implemented, do you think Muslim chlidren should be forced to drink alcohol?

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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    If this were to be implemented, do you think Muslim chlidren should be forced to drink alcohol?

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    Now see, there's another issue.

    What of the people whose religion dictates they cannot partake of this or that substance? For that matter, dictates that they should partake of?

    I would say a parental note requesting they not be required to do such would suffice - it does in other cases, doesn’t it?

    But my hypothetical was based on parents being incapable of teaching their kids about the various substances, and further, incapable of supervising them in drinking – which is not going to be the case in every situation.
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If they're old enough to go to war, they're old enough to have a drink.
    I don't buy this. I'd be open to allowing those who join the military to drink alcohol (even at 18), but just because someone is old enough to join the military does not automatically mean they are mature and responsible enough to handle drinking responsibly.
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I don't buy this. I'd be open to allowing those who join the military to drink alcohol (even at 18), but just because someone is old enough to join the military does not automatically mean they are mature and responsible enough to handle drinking responsibly.
    The same would apply to anyone joinging the military. Besides, if they are actually taught correctly kids would be responsible drinkers...unless of course thier dna screws them up.
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Given that we can't measure how mature a person is with any degree of accuracy (I'd argue that some kids are able to drive a car on their own well before they're allowed, and many can't drive into their 30s), I think age is a fair thing to base restrictions on. I haven't found anything that's as reasonable (if you have some, I'd love to see them).

    However, I disagree that you can be mature enough to drive a car (which costs many thousands of lives each year, and puts OTHERS at risk, not just yourself), but not mature enough to drink alcohol (which can only harm you, unless you force feed it to your date *shifty eyes*). Therefore I support one age for all restrictions. Should it be 18? Personally I'd put it at about 17, but that's fine. 21 is too high.

    Australia, the United Kingdom, most of Canada and a very large part of Europe all let people buy/drink alcohol at or before the age of 18, and much of them have lower rates of alcohol abuse per capita. Alcohol is like anything else, it's how you use it.

    You can't legally be an adult, but be viewed as not responsible enough to drink. That's ridiculous.

    So yes, I am in favor of lowering the legal age for purchasing alcohol to 18, though I think the age you can drink as with stringent supervision from a parent should be quite a bit lower, although parental abuse of this shouldn't be tolerated.

    That's my $0.02, I might even get some bipartisan support on this
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Given that we can't measure how mature a person is with any degree of accuracy (I'd argue that some kids are able to drive a car on their own well before they're allowed, and many can't drive into their 30s), I think age is a fair thing to base restrictions on. I haven't found anything that's as reasonable (if you have some, I'd love to see them).

    However, I disagree that you can be mature enough to drive a car (which costs many thousands of lives each year, and puts OTHERS at risk, not just yourself), but not mature enough to drink alcohol (which can only harm you, unless you force feed it to your date *shifty eyes*). Therefore I support one age for all restrictions. Should it be 18? Personally I'd put it at about 17, but that's fine. 21 is too high.

    Australia, the United Kingdom, most of Canada and a very large part of Europe all let people buy/drink alcohol at or before the age of 18, and much of them have lower rates of alcohol abuse per capita. Alcohol is like anything else, it's how you use it.

    You can't legally be an adult, but be viewed as not responsible enough to drink. That's ridiculous.

    So yes, I am in favor of lowering the legal age for purchasing alcohol to 18, though I think the age you can drink as with stringent supervision from a parent should be quite a bit lower, although parental abuse of this shouldn't be tolerated.

    That's my $0.02, I might even get some bipartisan support on this
    Consider this response my support, although I don't know as to it's bipartisanship...

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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    In Louisiana we are allowed to drink at 18 so long as it is on private property. You can also drink at 18 in Louisiana if you are married to someone 21 or older. Many people in the state laugh at the federal drinking age (even Republicans) but we can't really change it since the feds will revoke highway funds.
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    In Louisiana we are allowed to drink at 18 so long as it is on private property. You can also drink at 18 in Louisiana if you are married to someone 21 or older. Many people in the state laugh at the federal drinking age (even Republicans) but we can't really change it since the feds will revoke highway funds.
    Didn't the purchasing age use to be 18, also - an dthey changed it because kids from out of state would drive in - it caused a variety of problems. (long time ago)
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    States?, in Australia?
    Your nation is probably more advanced than ours, quite the accomplishment, IMO.
    We have so much to learn.
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