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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    But with my husband having come from a drug-infused family the 'early occasional exposure to liquor (and many other things)' merely hastened him to becomign an alcoholic.
    So, you believe we should be setting social policy based upon your husband being raised by drug users?

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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The reason this is so is that drinking is seen as a rite of passage that is done secretively by teenagers and young adults. They binge, because they are breaking a social taboo. European countries see drinking as a social act that is done within the family structure without binging.

    Our kids are bad drinkers because that's what we've trained them to be. If we trained them differently, it's much more likely they'd be responsible alcohol users.
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    First time I saw someone dipping snuff, I almost barfed on the spot. That stuff was oozing out of her nose and dripping on her chin...
    LOL - I've seen people like that but my husband's not messy about it.
    In fact - he's quite secrative about it. He did quite dipping two years ago with the use of Chantex (or was it Celebrix? - something) and he started up at some point months later without me even knowing about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, you believe we should be setting social policy based upon your husband being raised by drug users?
    I started off that post by saying "do what you want" - and in no way did I say anything against that in my following lines.

    I merely gave our view of the same "if they're exposed to it when they're younger" issue - because alcoholism and so on doesn't come from *exposure* throughout life Some people can drink frequently and never be an 'alcoholic' - and others can't handle not even one sip.

    So you can apply that against the OP - or you can apply that in support of the OP.
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, you believe we should be setting social policy based upon your husband being raised by drug users?
    I have heard of something they call "addictive personality" or something like that. You probably know the correct term for it. Genetically, some of us are just prone to addictions.
    The worst reformed druggy I ever met was, at the time, addicted to his religion, and could not keep it to himself....
    Not that those few people should be a reason for making new rules/laws, etc.
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL - I've seen people like that but my husband's not messy about it.
    In fact - he's quite secrative about it. He did quite dipping two years ago with the use of Chantex (or was it Celebrix? - something) and he started up at some point months later without me even knowing about it.


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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I have heard of something they call "addictive personality" or something like that. You probably know the correct term for it. Genetically, some of us are just prone to addictions.
    The worst reformed druggy I ever met was, at the time, addicted to his religion, and could not keep it to himself....
    Not that those few people should be a reason for making new rules/laws, etc.
    Exactly.

    Now, I personally don't mind them lowering the legal ages - it seems ridiculous, to me, to let people vote, drive, work, drop out of highschool - but still adamately insist they are unable to handle drinking anything Seems backwards.

    But would a sudden repeal be ideal or advisable? No. . . just as when they reach 21 they hit the bar and fall apart - they'll then just hit 18 and fall apart . . . or 16, whatever.
    The idea has to take hold socially - and maturely.
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    It should not be "US vs Europe" !
    Instead, we should work together in improving the lot of man.
    IMO, they are a lot more advanced than us, socially, we can learn from each other once our altitudes are adjusted...
    Heres one for the international historians..
    Did Europe even go thru prohibition as we did a century ago?

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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Exactly.

    Now, I personally don't mind them lowering the legal ages - it seems ridiculous, to me, to let people vote, drive, work, drop out of highschool - but still adamantly insist they are unable to handle drinking anything Seems backward.

    But would a sudden repeal be ideal or advisable? No. . . just as when they reach 21 they hit the bar and fall apart - they'll then just hit 18 and fall apart . . . or 16, whatever.
    The idea has to take hold socially - and maturely.
    Legalities can be circumnavigated, we learn to buy/drink beer at age 16, I started at age 13 with "hard stuff".
    I learned nothing until age 25 or so.
    Best to learn to drink at home, with loving parents..
    IMO, the "legal" age should be 18, not 21...

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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Exactly.

    Now, I personally don't mind them lowering the legal ages - it seems ridiculous, to me, to let people vote, drive, work, drop out of highschool - but still adamately insist they are unable to handle drinking anything Seems backwards.

    But would a sudden repeal be ideal or advisable? No. . . just as when they reach 21 they hit the bar and fall apart - they'll then just hit 18 and fall apart . . . or 16, whatever.
    The idea has to take hold socially - and maturely.
    Drop out age is one thing I really object to....19 or pass the GED, or get drafted into infantry....one sister and I, out of 6 kids, finished HS, and we are the only 2 who are self supporting to any degree. We pay taxes, but not enough to cover the waste of food that so many of our relatives are guilty of...
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    Re: Legal drinking age in the US vs. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Legalities can be circumnavigated, we learn to buy/drink beer at age 16, I started at age 13 with "hard stuff".
    I learned nothing until age 25 or so.
    Best to learn to drink at home, with loving parents..
    IMO, the "legal" age should be 18, not 21...
    "learn to drink" to me is a bizarre concept - you either drink or you don't. What's to 'learn' ?

    But I think the 'parental involvement' is a solid point - which the US amazingly has a vast lack of - our education would be better off if more parents were more involved. Children would be healthier if they were more involved . . . kids would do better, grow up more refined - if more parents cared and were more involved.

    And that is a totally other issue - you can't regulate parental involvement and force individuals to hold values that they just don't initially hold.
    All those social changes happen over time.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm
    IMO, they are a lot more advanced than us, socially, we can learn from each other once our altitudes are adjusted...
    Heres one for the international historians..
    With everythign I've learned about European and world history I firmly disagree.

    There isn't a single country out there which I would claim is a good example of *what to do* - they're all good examples of *what not to do* though . . . Humans: we're all ****ed up.
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