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  • Im Christian. I believe his age and the Ark

    9 10.84%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe the Ark. I believe his age

    1 1.20%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe his age but I believe the Ark.

    2 2.41%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe EITHER his age nor the Ark.

    10 12.05%
  • Not Christian but I believe both the age and the Ark

    2 2.41%
  • Not Christian and its total and utter rubbish!

    49 59.04%
  • Other / I dont Know

    10 12.05%
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I don't have to prove squat, afterall...If I am right and you are wrong, it is ya'lls asses, not mine, that will be burning in hell. If you are right and I am wrong...what have I lost?
    Oh, gosh. I'm really terrified now. I guess that this means that you don't have a rational answer to the rebuttals of your challenge re: divine protection.

    For the record, Pascal's wager was discredited a while ago, Oscar. Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As far as what you've lost...you've spent your life subjugating your choices and will to a human interpretation of an imaginary being. You've forced yourself through daily mental contortions in order to maintain your faith in the unbelievable (i.e., Noah was 900 years old). You've lost 1 out of every 7 days. You've contributed 10% of your income to a myth that accomplishes nothing. That's a significant loss, in my book.

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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and maybe back then there weren't as many nasty chemicals and pollutants floating around creating free radicals to break down cells as easily. people weren't sedentary.

    I think 900 is astretch, but I don't see any reason why they couldn't have lived much longer than we do.
    It amazes me how hard people have to try to believe the unbelievable.

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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I don't have to prove squat, afterall...If I am right and you are wrong, it is ya'lls asses, not mine, that will be burning in hell. If you are right and I am wrong...what have I lost?
    Unless the Muslims are right, and in that case we should really kiss our sweet asses good bye because their hell topples the Christian hell. That's also assuming that you believe in the perfectly correct type of Christianity with the right beliefs and have made the right propitiations.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The burden of proof is on the affirmative to prove that God divinely intervened. And, exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.
    That's my whole point... it's not really a matter of 'prove God did this'... or 'prove God did NOT do this'... there is no 'proof' one way or the other. You can say 'statistics show' or 'random chance says' all you want, but it's not 'proof' in either direction.

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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    I think at some point there was a major flood through human controlled areas which gave rise to the flood stories. Since these stories are so pervasive throughout different cultures, it seems reasonable that at some time there was a major flood event. However, as it relates literally to Noah, being 900 years old or building the ark and the animals arriving and the entire world being reset by the contents of the boat; that's all very very clearly made up. Maybe not in a bad way, probably meant to be allegorical. But still, it's not true.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    isn't there something like 30,000 different species of bettles alone.

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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    As far as what you've lost...you've spent your life subjugating your choices and will to a human interpretation of an imaginary being.
    I don't consider choosing not to be a scummy douchebag much of a loss.

    You've forced yourself through daily mental contortions in order to maintain your faith in the unbelievable (i.e., Noah was 900 years old).
    it requires no mental contortions.

    You've lost 1 out of every 7 days.
    how? by spending a few hours in the company of like minded individuals who's company I enjoy? oooh big F-ing loss there

    You've contributed 10% of your income to a myth that accomplishes nothing.
    a significant portion of that goes to help those less fortunate than I and at least this way (instead of theft by the govt) I get to have some say in who my $$$ goes to help.

    That's a significant loss, in my book.
    glad I'm not on the same page then.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    isn't there something like 30,000 different species of bettles alone.
    WTF is a bettle?
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think at some point there was a major flood through human controlled areas which gave rise to the flood stories. Since these stories are so pervasive throughout different cultures, it seems reasonable that at some time there was a major flood event. However, as it relates literally to Noah, being 900 years old or building the ark and the animals arriving and the entire world being reset by the contents of the boat; that's all very very clearly made up. Maybe not in a bad way, probably meant to be allegorical. But still, it's not true.
    There wasn't just one flood, there were many, these stories sprung up in areas that were prone to both seasonal and catastrophic flooding and they spread from there. No flood story came from areas where flooding was entirely unknown. We do know of a couple of major floods that happened throughout human history, but nothing approaching the story in the Bible. It just didn't happen. Even if we want to assume that it was based on an ancient memory of a real event, the details of the Noachian flood are complete fantasy. Pointing to a real flood doesn't make it any less so.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    That's my whole point... it's not really a matter of 'prove God did this'... or 'prove God did NOT do this'... there is no 'proof' one way or the other. You can say 'statistics show' or 'random chance says' all you want, but it's not 'proof' in either direction.
    Dude. The idea that an all-powerful deity intervened in your situation but refused to help 61,000 people in similar situations is simply illogical. Thus, your position fails, logically. That IS scientific thinking.

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