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  • Im Christian. I believe his age and the Ark

    9 10.84%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe the Ark. I believe his age

    1 1.20%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe his age but I believe the Ark.

    2 2.41%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe EITHER his age nor the Ark.

    10 12.05%
  • Not Christian but I believe both the age and the Ark

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  • Not Christian and its total and utter rubbish!

    49 59.04%
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I just want to know how koalas got from Australia to Noah's ark.
    Actually, I have almost an opposite question. How did the koalas get off the Ark to Australia? Did Noah just drop off animals on those continents that God wanted them to be on?

    I believe that there was very possibly a Noah, who experienced a flood (that God may or may not have informed him of), and saved his own family and animals. But I don't believe that he lived to be 900, nor do I believe the whole story of Noah and the Ark as in the Bible. I don't think any of that was possible scientifically. Just because I believe in God, doesn't mean that I believe that he goes around violating the laws of nature, especially if there are obviously easier alternatives to doing so.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    I do believe in the Bible. I do believe in the global flood and Noah's age.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    THe Bible says this fella Noah lived about 900 years...... built a HUUUUUGE ship and put 2 of EVERY animal on that boat. The logistics of finding not just EVERY animal, but then getting it to the ship..... then not having the animals eat each other.... or eat Noah..... and then you have enough fresh water and FOOD to FEED the animals.......
    Well...... what do YOU think?
    Well, the way the story is told in the bible... to interpret it as saying that he collected genetic samples of every animal the way it's written is only a stretch because of the notions we have of the people of that time.

    Yes, that's highly speculative, but whatever the truth of the matter, if it was region specific he would have collected 2 sheep, 2 goats, 2 cows, or whatever other animal. The reality is that the WORLD OVER, there is not 1 region in the world that doesn't have a flood myth, and either way you look at it, for this to be a local event is HIGHLY suspect, because that would mean that either the world over experienced a simultaneous flood that spawned the various myths, OR that all these cultures spontaneously created a global coherent fiction.

    That said, I'm not averse to the concept that what is called 'god' in the bible was more like a super-advanced being that created humanity as a mix of what was there at the time and it's own genetics... I mean, it wouldn't take much for an extra-terrestrial life form to encounter cave men and convince them that they are deities worth worshiping.

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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    can you prove he did not?

    can you prove he didn't?

    According to the Bible, Noah did not 'find' the animals, they came to him.

    I guess God couldn't keep animals from eating each other if he didn't want them to, huh

    Ever hear the story of the loaves and fish?


    That's how easy it is to negate the OP, if you're religious. If you're not, you'll probably think the OP is 'God'. (pun intended)
    ... reading this post explains why you don't approve of global warming. You are simply unable to assess a situation and draw logical conclusions. In your mind, it is simply impossible to look at facts and let them guide your reasoning. You must be given a preconceived idea and use it as your own. I didn't look at Global Warming and say 'oh, yeah, it's man doing that'. I look at charts, I looked at evidence, proof from pertinent scientists and then I looked at the evidence from the other side and found it lacking. You are essentially complete opposite. You look at the flimsy evidence and hope that it does not contradict your established views. You are proof of what people have been stating about the religious all along. They are simply illogical and backwards people. You look at thunder and you are not able to think past the violence that it brings.

    It doesn't even matter if you are religious or not. You're simply a person who is illogical.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Here's the thing. We have these pyramids in Egypt you might have read about them. Had you only read about them and never saw them do you think you would have believed in their existence that many years ago?

    Does any one of you in here know exactly how they pyramids were built?
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Here's the thing. We have these pyramids in Egypt you might have read about them. Had you only read about them and never saw them do you think you would have believed in their existence that many years ago?

    Does any one of you in here know exactly how they pyramids were built?
    I do know it was supposed to be that they were built within 28 years... a feat I've heard estimated at requiring a million men working around the clock, and that's not counting the time to carve the stones and get them in place.

    A piece that I see as further proof of the flood is more with the sphinx, which is supposed to have been built around 5-6thousand years ago... the problem with that is that given the importance the builders apparently gave to astrology, and the relative allignments SHOULD have been built as a bull in that time... but if you go back to around 11000 years ago that's when, not only was egypt much closer to a rainforest climate, BUT because of the earths wobble the sphinx lined up properly with LEO at that time...

    anyway...all we really know about egyptian culture and all that is mainly our 'best guesses'... but many of these questions we may never know because of egypts interests in maintaining these monuments as untouched as possible.

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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I do know it was supposed to be that they were built within 28 years... a feat I've heard estimated at requiring a million men working around the clock, and that's not counting the time to carve the stones and get them in place.

    A piece that I see as further proof of the flood is more with the sphinx, which is supposed to have been built around 5-6thousand years ago... the problem with that is that given the importance the builders apparently gave to astrology, and the relative allignments SHOULD have been built as a bull in that time... but if you go back to around 11000 years ago that's when, not only was egypt much closer to a rainforest climate, BUT because of the earths wobble the sphinx lined up properly with LEO at that time...

    anyway...all we really know about egyptian culture and all that is mainly our 'best guesses'... but many of these questions we may never know because of egypts interests in maintaining these monuments as untouched as possible.
    My point to that question was there are many mysteries and many things that seem impossible, but indeed do happen.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Here's the thing. We have these pyramids in Egypt you might have read about them. Had you only read about them and never saw them do you think you would have believed in their existence that many years ago?
    The pyramids also obey the laws of physics.

    Does any one of you in here know exactly how they pyramids were built?
    Yes, yes actually we do.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    The pyramids also obey the laws of physics.


    Yes, yes actually we do.
    Actually no, no you don't there is only theories on how long, how many people, what tools were used, etc specifically for the great pyramids and considering how massive the stone was and how far up, there have been theories that go as far as to say they built it background out of the ground. This is why we call the great pyramid a "wonder of the world".
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    My point to that question was there are many mysteries and many things that seem impossible, but indeed do happen.
    Yes and there is always a logical explanation for them. A guy surviving a shark attack? It's not God's work. It can be explained by examining his interaction with the shark at the moment of attack. A guy builds a flying machine? It's not because God showed him how to. It's because he understood the physics for such a machine. Something seeming impossible is not the same as something being impossible. The logical explanation for the flood in the Bible is that there was indeed a flood affecting the Mediterranean region. The ark is clearly allegory to how the animals in the area survived. Religion is a way for people to explain things which seem impossible by constructing stories which are not possible.
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