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  • Im Christian. I believe his age and the Ark

    9 10.84%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe the Ark. I believe his age

    1 1.20%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe his age but I believe the Ark.

    2 2.41%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe EITHER his age nor the Ark.

    10 12.05%
  • Not Christian but I believe both the age and the Ark

    2 2.41%
  • Not Christian and its total and utter rubbish!

    49 59.04%
  • Other / I dont Know

    10 12.05%
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Is there any proof that all the flood stories of the various cultures of the world all coincide? No one has mentioned this point. Even if every group of people ever had a flood story, if the stories do not coincide on the timeline, then chances are very good that there was not one major flood, but rather several smaller floods (although they might have seemed huge to the people in that area) in different places around the world.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Is there any proof that all the flood stories of the various cultures of the world all coincide? No one has mentioned this point. Even if every group of people ever had a flood story, if the stories do not coincide on the timeline, then chances are very good that there was not one major flood, but rather several smaller floods (although they might have seemed huge to the people in that area) in different places around the world.
    No, there isn't. Other than a flood, most stories have nothing whatsoever in common. Unfortunately, you get apologists who conveniently "forget" that fact and claim that the very existence of the stories is proof that their own myth must be true. Why isn't it proof that someone else's myth is true? We can't exactly expect honesty from these people.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Do you believe that two of every kiknd of kangaroo, two of every poisonous snake, two koalas, etc., all madde their way across the ocean back to Australia and repopulated that continent?

    How?

    They're there, aren't they?

    As to how, I do not know with certainty. I just know it happened.




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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    They're there, aren't they?

    As to how, I do not know with certainty. I just know it happened.
    No, you believe that it happened. Knowledge requires a rational basis. It requires evidence. You have none.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    My belief in God is not predicated on whether or not the stories contained within the Bible are "literally" true. I do believe Noah existed and I believe there was a great flood and an ark.
    Why would you believe in Noah? and the flood? and the ark? The logistics of just the animal part is impossible. Then you get that Noah lived 900+ years. No way man. Then he built the ark which would be the size of a huge zoo. Then the food..... and the animals not eating each other. It is soooooooooo foolish. I cant believe anyone would think it to be real.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    They're there, aren't they?

    As to how, I do not know with certainty. I just know it happened.
    So you'll believe something even if it contridicts what you can test in your own sink?
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, you believe that it happened. Knowledge requires a rational basis. It requires evidence. You have none.
    So?


    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Why would you believe in Noah? and the flood? and the ark? The logistics of just the animal part is impossible. Then you get that Noah lived 900+ years. No way man. Then he built the ark which would be the size of a huge zoo. Then the food..... and the animals not eating each other. It is soooooooooo foolish. I cant believe anyone would think it to be real.
    Such belief requires faith in God's ability to make it happen. So what if it doesn't make logical sense? Faith isn't always "logical". I wasn't there so I can't speak to the logistical challenges and how they were addressed, but I believe it did happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So you'll believe something even if it contridicts what you can test in your own sink?
    Do I believe just anything? No. Do I believe in God and His ability to make such an event take place? Yes. Such faith doesn't require anyone's approval or agreement.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    That's as good a demonstration of religious faith as any. Believing something in spite of evidence to the contrary.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    That's as good a demonstration of religious faith as any. Believing something in spite of evidence to the contrary.
    Only evidence that humans can't do it on their own - obviously, it's not evidence that a supremely powerful being is unable to do so...

    That's the thing about belief in a supremely powerful being - since it can do anything, anything is possible.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    No, you believe that it happened. Knowledge requires a rational basis. It requires evidence. You have none.
    So?
    Some people desire to know whats true even if it contradicts what we personally hope or wish is true. Perhaps you don't value truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    So what if it doesn't make logical sense?Faith isn't always "logical".
    What type of "sense" does it make? Emotional sense? intuitive sense?
    How reliable ae these "senses"?

    You believe your god gave you a brain right? Why are you so determined to NOT utilize what it provides: reason and logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    I wasn't there so I can't speak to the logistical challenges and how they were addressed, but I believe it did happen.
    You can BELIEVE whatever you like. That the sky is red, that you are the most beautiful and smart person in the world, etc. Your beliefs are irrelevant to reality. Your beliefs are irrelevant to what any gods did or did NOT do.

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Do I believe just anything? No. Do I believe in God and His ability to make such an event take place? Yes. Such faith doesn't require anyone's approval or agreement.
    How exactly do you determine what your God(s) did or did NOT do?

    1) Unverifiable personal testimonials
    2) Personal opinions
    3) Writings in old/new promotional literature
    4) “Revelations” from “prophets” or “seers”
    5) Accounts from wide ranging, independent sources that are in general agreement
    6) Accounts from sources that are not connected or involved with the claim or story
    7) Findings that have been widely tested and verified by others
    8) Findings that you can test personally if you choose
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