Im Christian. I believe his age and the Ark
Im Christian. I dont believe the Ark. I believe his age
Im Christian. I dont believe his age but I believe the Ark.
Im Christian. I dont believe EITHER his age nor the Ark.
Not Christian but I believe both the age and the Ark
Not Christian and its total and utter rubbish!
Other / I dont Know
It's not that it gives them the lisence to make up as much nonsense as they want. People in this thread didn't make all that nonsense in the bible. They find meaning in it and build their lives around it.so that gives them license to just make up a bunch of nonsense to believe because it makes them feel good at the end of the day?
Believe what? That religion allows people to find meaning in their lives? Sure I do. I also believe that without religion these people would not be able to find meaning in simply living their lives as best they can. I do it every day. I find meaning in my work, my family and my neighbors. My daughter is the purpose for my life. I didn't make her up. I didn't imagine her. I didn't need to read about her in a book. I'm not good because I feel I myself will be rewarded for it when I die. I try to be a good person so that she will do the same. I'm not a good person because of some benefit I will reap when I die.And you really believe that? Really?
Religion is a control mechanism. People are pious because they believe that the more pious they are, the greater the benefit. With centuries, this mechanism has become a culture. Christianity, Islam and every other religion are cultures that are passed down from generation to generation. It's pretty interesting because religion forces the human being to behave if it wants to reap the benefits promised by some force they can't seem to prove.
Last edited by Hatuey; 12-09-10 at 02:25 PM.
See my last post
I don't believe the Noah story for (and to be brutally honest with myself) any other reason than that its a story with many fantastic elements and seems to contradict my life experience and knowledge of how things work.
2) If people need to believe in god and supernaturalism to find meaning in their lives then that is their own personal failing. Most atheists find plenty of meaning in their life without a god or supernaturalism.
Since no afterlives or any other such promises by religions can be verified as true, I see no reason to accept their claims and thus no reason to "buy" what they are "selling".
It would appear there are many gullible and/or credulous people out there who are willing to "buy" what a religion/company/scam-artist is "selling" without first verifying the truth of their claims.
If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!
Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.
And I will repeat it as that's what you've described. People who cannot handle reality, especially when they have to invent make-believe nonsense or buy into someone else's make-believe nonsense, are pathetic, stupid losers. If one cannot come up with a rational, intellectual purpose for their lives that doesn't involve bowing down to imaginary friends in the sky, or cannot be a decent human being without such beliefs, why shouldn't we see them that way?Originally Posted by Hatuey
No, they just chose to believe that nonsense. I happen to hold people rationally accountable for their decisions. It doesn't matter what meaning they find, it matter what mind-poison they accept into their heads. Someone might find meaning in the writing of J.K. Rowling, that doesn't mean they are justified in believing in magic and Hogwarts.It's not that it gives them the lisence to make up as much nonsense as they want. People in this thread didn't make all that nonsense in the bible. They find meaning in it and build their lives around it.
I'll agree that religion is a control mechanism, I just question whether it's a positive one. It's the ultimate bait and switch, demanding that you act a certain way for a reward that you only supposedly get after you're dead and can't come back and tell anyone if you were scammed. However, the same people who believe in the "good" that supposedly comes from religion also tend to follow the bad. Homophobia, racism, hatred, violence, etc. are all end-results that can come from religion. When you open your mind to things that you have no good, rational reason to believe, you also open your mind to all sorts of mind-poisons and other irrational things to come flooding in. The same people who embrace gods embrace superstitions at a much higher level. Rejecting critical thinking in one area of your life lessens the chance that you will use it overall. When emotional comfort becomes the standard for belief, then anything that brings emotional comfort, no matter how absurd it may be, becomes acceptable.Religion is a control mechanism. People are pious because they believe that the more pious they are, the greater the benefit. With centuries, this mechanism has become a culture. Christianity, Islam and every other religion are cultures that are passed down from generation to generation. It's pretty interesting because religion forces the human being to behave if it wants to reap the benefits promised by some force they can't seem to prove.
That's what I object to.