Im Christian. I believe his age and the Ark
Im Christian. I dont believe the Ark. I believe his age
Im Christian. I dont believe his age but I believe the Ark.
Im Christian. I dont believe EITHER his age nor the Ark.
Not Christian but I believe both the age and the Ark
Not Christian and its total and utter rubbish!
Other / I dont Know
“I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.
Even if the bible said that Noah jumped over the moon or put the sun in his pocket, we'd still have believers defending the literal truth of these claims. They have the mindset that nothing is too extraordinary and the burden of proof is always on the doubter.
You simply can't debate people who have such outrageous presuppositions. You can't debate people who can't show/explain WHY they are correct.
Noah's a case where this story is 'backed up' by the fact that around the world there is NOT ONE culture that DOES NOT have a flood myth... so, does that mean that the flood happened when all humans still hadn't left their original society, OR that means that the flood was a true carnal flood that lasted several weeks and flooded much of the land.
A good question might be 'where did that water come from??' Is there an answer within our solar system, or did it just happen that the earth passed through some 'cosmic cloud' of mostly water that effectively flooded the earth??
So, SOMETHING happened involving a large scale flood, but the reality is encoded in those ancient texts.
What is denied is that
1) a man built a wooden boat bigger than is possible by engineers today.
2) all the animals of the world lived on it
3) the entire world was flooded to the tops of mountains
4) the world and its animals was repopulated by the survivors
5) Noah lived to be 900
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
I mean take a look at any flood in the US. Even with modern understanding, if I was there and seeing the main street through town under 20-30 feet of water I'd probably feel like the entire world had flooded.
The problem with a GLOBAL flood is there is simply no evidence to show that it happened and there is PHYSICALLY not enough water on Earth to achieve one.
The laws of physics state otherwise, a global flood would not result from any amount of water in space striking the Earth. Such an event would wipe out ALL life on Earth, Noah and the ark included. Additionally, if this did indeed happen, you would disrupt something called the triple point of water on Earth which, again, would wipe out ALL life on Earth.A good question might be 'where did that water come from??' Is there an answer within our solar system, or did it just happen that the earth passed through some 'cosmic cloud' of mostly water that effectively flooded the earth??
Furthermore, if we suspended enough laws of physics for this to be possible, the land would still all be flooded. The water wouldn't go anywhere and would still be here.
Last edited by Hoplite; 12-09-10 at 03:31 AM.
See my last post
2) I do NOT claim that it is impossible for:
A) a man to live 900 years
B) a man to build a boat big enough to house practically every land dwelling animal on the planet
C) a man to gather every land dwelling animal on the planet
D) a man to feed, house, and keep these animals from eating each other
E) a man to redistribute all those animals
What I DO claim is that there is ZERO reason to believe these things did occur. That there is ZERO reason to accept these tales as factual history. Do you understand the difference?
Its called skepticism/critical_thinking as opposed to gullibility/credulity.
Even IF a god exists, it doesn't mean he actually did any of those things. Even IF a god exists, it doesn't mean that the tale of Noah is anything more than a myth or legend.
Being a Christian doesn't mean you have to turn your brain off. It doesn't mean you have to believe everything written in a 2000+ year old book is literal and factual history. God gave you a brain. USE IT!
Last edited by scourge99; 12-09-10 at 12:40 PM.
I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK