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  • Im Christian. I believe his age and the Ark

    9 10.84%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe the Ark. I believe his age

    1 1.20%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe his age but I believe the Ark.

    2 2.41%
  • Im Christian. I dont believe EITHER his age nor the Ark.

    10 12.05%
  • Not Christian but I believe both the age and the Ark

    2 2.41%
  • Not Christian and its total and utter rubbish!

    49 59.04%
  • Other / I dont Know

    10 12.05%
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Why, what did he say?
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite
    Now consider that it had to be assembled using NO metal nails or fasteners. Such technology was not available at the time as nails were not around until the early Roman Empire.
    incorrect.
    The earliest nails were probably made in the Middle-East about 5,000 years ago. Metal was heated and then pounded into the desired shape. The earliest mass production of nails was during the Roman Empire.

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    So God set down the laws of the universe and decides to break them as He sees fit? This makes sense to you? Wouldn't that make God IMperfect? I mean, he should know he'll have to change them at some point, so why bother with rules? You know, omniscience and all?
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    incorrect.
    The earliest nails were probably made in the Middle-East about 5,000 years ago. Metal was heated and then pounded into the desired shape. The earliest mass production of nails was during the Roman Empire.
    Even if Noah did have nails, they would have done him very little good. They would not have been enough to hold a ship the size of the ark together and would have been obscenely expensive.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Even if Noah did have nails, they would have done him very little good. They would not have been enough to hold a ship the size of the ark together and would have been obscenely expensive.
    oh dear.....nobody ever heard of wooden nails? i don't believe the story, but c'mon.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh dear.....nobody ever heard of wooden nails? i don't believe the story, but c'mon.
    Wooden nails are not strong enough to support a ship of that size.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Wooden nails are not strong enough to support a ship of that size.
    i know......what would be?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Wooden nails are not strong enough to support a ship of that size.
    Depends on the size of the dowel (otherwise known as a wooden nail).
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i know......what would be?
    You could do it out of fiberglass, but the material of choice would be steel. Modern aircraft carriers are a prime example.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Depends on the size of the dowel (otherwise known as a wooden nail).
    Upping the size increases your problems. You have a fixed size to work with because of the width of a tree and the more of that is taken up by a fastener, ultimately the weaker that section will be when the ship starts to torque.

    Ships are not rigid at sea, otherwise they'd snap in half. When this happens to a ship like the ark, it would probably break up.
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    Re: Do You believe Noah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    You could do it out of fiberglass, but the material of choice would be steel. Modern aircraft carriers are a prime example.



    Upping the size increases your problems. You have a fixed size to work with because of the width of a tree and the more of that is taken up by a fastener, ultimately the weaker that section will be when the ship starts to torque.

    Ships are not rigid at sea, otherwise they'd snap in half. When this happens to a ship like the ark, it would probably break up.
    Along with this, I've heard plenty of creationists argue that the grand canyon, rather than being created over millions of years of slowly flowing water, could have been created during one massive global flood. Imagine a flood, with enough raging waters to dig hundred of feet down into clay and soil and earth, then imagine the largest wooden boat ever built by a guy who had no prior experience and no modern tools and conveniences floating on top of that same flood and the boat comes out perfectly fine with all animals still on board etc. It's a laughable proposition unless you conclude that they had divine intervention the entire time during the construction and during the flood. The story is so similar to all the other myths of the time, just like many of Jesus's traits are (virgin birth, the miracles etc) that I can't understand how anybody could possible try to rationalize any of it.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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