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Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

Do you believe Pelosi about Foodstamps and Unemployment?


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On the House floor Pelosi then makes the claim that for every $1 spent on Unemployment, $2 goes back into the economy.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...osi_unemployment_benefits_creates_jobs.ht ml

So what Pelosi would have us believe is that the more Food Stamps and the more Unemployment, the better off our economy will be. The question is, do you believe that?

..... so she's arguing that paying people not to produce causes production to rise?

methinks mrs pelosi needs to have a quiet retirement to somewhere she can talk to trees and slowly continue to forget everyones' names.




is this going to be a poll?
 
..... so she's arguing that paying people not to produce causes production to rise?

methinks mrs pelosi needs to have a quiet retirement to somewhere she can talk to trees and slowly continue to forget everyones' names.




is this going to be a poll?

No, that's not what she's arguing. How do you guys get so much wrong?
 
On the House floor Pelosi then makes the claim that for every $1 spent on Unemployment, $2 goes back into the economy.

So what Pelosi would have us believe is that the more Food Stamps and the more Unemployment, the better off our economy will be. The question is, do you believe that?

I am suprised that she thinks that 1=2 is good math. I am looking for the irrational money needed to make this equation work.
 



On the House floor Pelosi then makes the claim that for every $1 spent on Unemployment, $2 goes back into the economy.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...osi_unemployment_benefits_creates_jobs.ht ml

So what Pelosi would have us believe is that the more Food Stamps and the more Unemployment, the better off our economy will be. The question is, do you believe that?


I believe that if food stamps were truly our primary concern of government spending/behavior, we'd be sitting pretty right now.
 
Food stamps help a great deal with your ability to pay for things and keep on top of your other financial responsibilities.

With my situation as an example, without foodstamps we would probably have lost our house (rented) by now and we would not be able to afford to get another place to live. With no place to live, getting and keeping a job becomes difficult. Foodstamps helped keep us in a position where we can work and have that extra support that keeps us going.

I dont think what Pelosi said was 100% right or wrong, but I do know that if you give people the support they need and ensure they use it properly, you WILL reap the benefits.
 
Food stamps help a great deal with your ability to pay for things and keep on top of your other financial responsibilities.

With my situation as an example, without foodstamps we would probably have lost our house (rented) by now and we would not be able to afford to get another place to live. With no place to live, getting and keeping a job becomes difficult. Foodstamps helped keep us in a position where we can work and have that extra support that keeps us going.

I dont think what Pelosi said was 100% right or wrong, but I do know that if you give people the support they need and ensure they use it properly, you WILL reap the benefits.

Every single conservative on this forum now hates you. You evil money stealing piece of trash. How dare you use food stamps and use tax money for it? How dare you deal with real life and the decisions that come out of it? Why don't you just join NAMBLA or something. You'd be better off not getting food stamps. The free market would take care of you. Reagan, Goldwater, Reagan.
 
Food stamps help a great deal with your ability to pay for things and keep on top of your other financial responsibilities.

With my situation as an example, without foodstamps we would probably have lost our house (rented) by now and we would not be able to afford to get another place to live. With no place to live, getting and keeping a job becomes difficult. Foodstamps helped keep us in a position where we can work and have that extra support that keeps us going.

I dont think what Pelosi said was 100% right or wrong, but I do know that if you give people the support they need and ensure they use it properly, you WILL reap the benefits.

Thank you for your candor.
 
Every single conservative on this forum now hates you. You evil money stealing piece of trash. How dare you use food stamps and use tax money for it? How dare you deal with real life and the decisions that come out of it? Why don't you just join NAMBLA or something. You'd be better off not getting food stamps. The free market would take care of you. Reagan, Goldwater, Reagan.

There is no reason to hate Hoplite as an individual. He is simply candid enough to speak the undisguised view of all leftists.

We don't hate Hoplite. We don't hate leftists. We hate Leftist Ideology.

Hate the Sin. Love the Sinner. Now go forth and sin no more.
 
There is no reason to hate Hoplite as an individual.
Hatuey was kidding.

Hate the Sin. Love the Sinner. Now go forth and sin no more.
This has always bugged the **** out of me. If you hate the sin, not the sinner, the sin is PART of the sinner. So hating the sin is still hating the sinner, just a smaller part of them.
 
Food stamps help a great deal with your ability to pay for things and keep on top of your other financial responsibilities.

With my situation as an example, without foodstamps we would probably have lost our house (rented) by now and we would not be able to afford to get another place to live. With no place to live, getting and keeping a job becomes difficult. Foodstamps helped keep us in a position where we can work and have that extra support that keeps us going.

I dont think what Pelosi said was 100% right or wrong, but I do know that if you give people the support they need and ensure they use it properly, you WILL reap the benefits.

I can appreciate your situation but you didn't answer the question. Do you agree with Pelosi's view that spending 1 dollar on unemployment nets 2 dollars in the economy? Or that 1 dollar spent on Foodstamps nets 1.80 or so back into the economy. This thread and poll is not about the merits or lack of merit concerning foodstamps or unemployment.
 
Hatuey was kidding.


This has always bugged the **** out of me. If you hate the sin, not the sinner, the sin is PART of the sinner. So hating the sin is still hating the sinner, just a smaller part of them.

Wrong. You hate the behavior not the person behaving badly. Behaviors can change and should change sometimes. You're opinion is only valid if the person is not willing to give up their sin or is incapable.
 
Somewhat related...

The Bush stimulus is supposed to have generated $1.19 for every 1.00

According to estimates several years ago by Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Economy.com, the measures that produced the biggest "bang for the buck" were increases in unemployment benefits, which produced about $1.73 in additional demand for every dollar spent. Tax rebates to all citizens generated about $1.19 for every dollar spent, while reductions in tax rates produced only 59 cents per dollar.​
 
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I am suprised that she thinks that 1=2 is good math. I am looking for the irrational money needed to make this equation work.
Unemployment benefits/food-stamps immediately create more demand, more demand requires more workers. It's as they say "Not rocket science.'"
 
I can appreciate your situation but you didn't answer the question.
Yes I did, please read the entire post.

Wrong. You hate the behavior not the person behaving badly.
A person's behavior is motivated by something that is a part of them. Separating one's behavior from themselves is shirking responsibility.

If I steal from everyone I meet, I'm doing that because I obviously dont think it's wrong to steal or I feel my desire for whatever I'm stealing is more important than their desire to NOT have their stuff stolen.
 
Hatuey was kidding.


This has always bugged the **** out of me. If you hate the sin, not the sinner, the sin is PART of the sinner. So hating the sin is still hating the sinner, just a smaller part of them.

I'm an atheist raised as a Catholic. But I just love to use Christian terminology with leftists. It's like rubbing salt in a wound.
 
I'm an atheist raised as a Catholic. But I just love to use Christian terminology with leftists. It's like rubbing salt in a wound.
Dont play out your revenge fantasies with me, I'm neither Atheist nor Catholic and I have nothing against either.
 
Yes I did, please read the entire post.
I did read it again, and my previous comments still stands.


A person's behavior is motivated by something that is a part of them. Separating one's behavior from themselves is shirking responsibility.

If I steal from everyone I meet, I'm doing that because I obviously dont think it's wrong to steal or I feel my desire for whatever I'm stealing is more important than their desire to NOT have their stuff stolen.
Why you're doing it is separate from who you are, or are you arguing that since in your example, your a thief and that everyone has to accept your stealing as part of you, and shouldn't separate your bad actions from the person you are. Therefore, since you do bad things, your a bad person. Is that what you want?
 
There is no reason to hate Hoplite as an individual. He is simply candid enough to speak the undisguised view of all leftists.

We don't hate Hoplite. We don't hate leftists. We hate Leftist Ideology.

Hate the Sin. Love the Sinner. Now go forth and sin no more.

bingo. we don't hate hoplite; we hate that Hoplite is being turned into a serf.
 
Unemployment benefits/food-stamps immediately create more demand, more demand requires more workers. It's as they say "Not rocket science.'"

no, that's working backwards; because to send out unemployment benefits means that first you must remove money from the system.

irrespective, the proof is in the pudding; we have a record number of people on food stamps now; if this claim held truth, then we should be enjoying record prosperity.
 
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Dont play out your revenge fantasies with me, I'm neither Atheist nor Catholic and I have nothing against either.

Religious people of every persuasion are fine. Athiests and agnostics are fine. In fact everyone in the whole world is fine with one exception. American Leftists are not fine.
 
I did read it again, and my previous comments still stands.
Again, I dont think she's 100% right or wrong. I think these social programs ultimately benefit society in the end by keeping people working, I dont know if it's an exact return rate similar to what she mentioned though.

Why you're doing it is separate from who you are, or are you arguing that since in your example, your a thief and that everyone has to accept your stealing as part of you, and shouldn't separate your bad actions from the person you are. Therefore, since you do bad things, your a bad person. Is that what you want?
You are trying to over-simplify. Human behavior is driven, in part, by who YOU are. You cannot completely separate a person's actions from themselves, you are trying to disavow people's responsibility in their actions by saying "Oh that isnt part of you, that isnt really you."

Religious people of every persuasion are fine. Athiests and agnostics are fine. In fact everyone in the whole world is fine with one exception. American Leftists are not fine.
That sounds like a personal problem to me.
 
Hoplite: Ever buy soda with foodstamps? :ssst:
I dont really drink soda anymore. I have on two occasions that I can remember. One was for a recipe the other was when someone in our house was sick. Other than that, I dont drink soda.
 
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