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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    There is no reason to hate Hoplite as an individual.
    Hatuey was kidding.

    Hate the Sin. Love the Sinner. Now go forth and sin no more.
    This has always bugged the **** out of me. If you hate the sin, not the sinner, the sin is PART of the sinner. So hating the sin is still hating the sinner, just a smaller part of them.
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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Food stamps help a great deal with your ability to pay for things and keep on top of your other financial responsibilities.

    With my situation as an example, without foodstamps we would probably have lost our house (rented) by now and we would not be able to afford to get another place to live. With no place to live, getting and keeping a job becomes difficult. Foodstamps helped keep us in a position where we can work and have that extra support that keeps us going.

    I dont think what Pelosi said was 100% right or wrong, but I do know that if you give people the support they need and ensure they use it properly, you WILL reap the benefits.
    I can appreciate your situation but you didn't answer the question. Do you agree with Pelosi's view that spending 1 dollar on unemployment nets 2 dollars in the economy? Or that 1 dollar spent on Foodstamps nets 1.80 or so back into the economy. This thread and poll is not about the merits or lack of merit concerning foodstamps or unemployment.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Hatuey was kidding.


    This has always bugged the **** out of me. If you hate the sin, not the sinner, the sin is PART of the sinner. So hating the sin is still hating the sinner, just a smaller part of them.
    Wrong. You hate the behavior not the person behaving badly. Behaviors can change and should change sometimes. You're opinion is only valid if the person is not willing to give up their sin or is incapable.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Somewhat related...

    The Bush stimulus is supposed to have generated $1.19 for every 1.00

    According to estimates several years ago by Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Economy.com, the measures that produced the biggest "bang for the buck" were increases in unemployment benefits, which produced about $1.73 in additional demand for every dollar spent. Tax rebates to all citizens generated about $1.19 for every dollar spent, while reductions in tax rates produced only 59 cents per dollar.
    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 12-03-10 at 08:18 PM.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I am suprised that she thinks that 1=2 is good math. I am looking for the irrational money needed to make this equation work.
    Unemployment benefits/food-stamps immediately create more demand, more demand requires more workers. It's as they say "Not rocket science.'"


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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I can appreciate your situation but you didn't answer the question.
    Yes I did, please read the entire post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Wrong. You hate the behavior not the person behaving badly.
    A person's behavior is motivated by something that is a part of them. Separating one's behavior from themselves is shirking responsibility.

    If I steal from everyone I meet, I'm doing that because I obviously dont think it's wrong to steal or I feel my desire for whatever I'm stealing is more important than their desire to NOT have their stuff stolen.
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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Hatuey was kidding.


    This has always bugged the **** out of me. If you hate the sin, not the sinner, the sin is PART of the sinner. So hating the sin is still hating the sinner, just a smaller part of them.
    I'm an atheist raised as a Catholic. But I just love to use Christian terminology with leftists. It's like rubbing salt in a wound.

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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I'm an atheist raised as a Catholic. But I just love to use Christian terminology with leftists. It's like rubbing salt in a wound.
    Dont play out your revenge fantasies with me, I'm neither Atheist nor Catholic and I have nothing against either.
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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Yes I did, please read the entire post.
    I did read it again, and my previous comments still stands.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    A person's behavior is motivated by something that is a part of them. Separating one's behavior from themselves is shirking responsibility.

    If I steal from everyone I meet, I'm doing that because I obviously dont think it's wrong to steal or I feel my desire for whatever I'm stealing is more important than their desire to NOT have their stuff stolen.
    Why you're doing it is separate from who you are, or are you arguing that since in your example, your a thief and that everyone has to accept your stealing as part of you, and shouldn't separate your bad actions from the person you are. Therefore, since you do bad things, your a bad person. Is that what you want?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Your view: Food Stamps and Unemployment

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    There is no reason to hate Hoplite as an individual. He is simply candid enough to speak the undisguised view of all leftists.

    We don't hate Hoplite. We don't hate leftists. We hate Leftist Ideology.

    Hate the Sin. Love the Sinner. Now go forth and sin no more.
    bingo. we don't hate hoplite; we hate that Hoplite is being turned into a serf.

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