View Poll Results: What should be done about unemployment benefits?

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  • Extend them through deficit spending

    14 21.54%
  • Extend them, but pay for them with unpaid stimulus/tarp funds

    19 29.23%
  • Don't extend them, it is unregulated welfare

    22 33.85%
  • Other, Explain:

    8 12.31%
  • Don't you touch my unemployment benefits!!

    2 3.08%
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Thread: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

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    Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Democrats say we should pass an extension of unemployment benefits through deficit spending.

    Republicans say take some of the unspent stimulus/tarp funds and pay for an unemployment benefit extension.

    Conservatives are saying we shouldn't extend unemployment benefits at all for people who have already been on them because it is becoming unregulated welfare.

    What do you think?
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Democrats say we should pass an extension of unemployment benefits through deficit spending.

    Republicans say take some of the unspent stimulus/tarp funds and pay for an unemployment benefit extension.

    Conservatives are saying we shouldn't extend unemployment benefits at all for people who have already been on them because it is becoming unregulated welfare.

    What do you think?
    Well, they're considering a year-long extension. And I ask, "When does it end?" Does that mean it goes from 99 weeks to 151 weeks?

    However, having expressed my relative distain for the extension itself (and the abuse I know is going on out there), worrying about how to pay for it is ridiculous. TARP has a $260 Billion surplus. They allocated $700 Billion and have dispersed only $440 Billion. Use THAT money. Worrying about what pocket to take it from at this point is just silly.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Worrying about what pocket to take it from at this point is just silly.
    Exactly. As far as TARP running a surplus, that's like going to the store with your credit card and saying you have a surplus when you get home because you didn't reach the credit limit.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Democrats say we should pass an extension of unemployment benefits through deficit spending.

    Republicans say take some of the unspent stimulus/tarp funds and pay for an unemployment benefit extension.

    Conservatives are saying we shouldn't extend unemployment benefits at all for people who have already been on them because it is becoming unregulated welfare.

    What do you think?
    The Democratic position is correct in this case. Extending unemployment benefits is one of the best forms of fiscal stimulus out there, because it increases the purchasing power of people who otherwise wouldn't have any. Using unused stimulus money to pay for it would defeat the purpose, and using TARP money doesn't even make sense.

    As for the idea that it's unregulated welfare...that might be true if the unemployment rate was lower, but when it's over 9% I think it's hard to make the argument that it's discouraging people from finding work. That might be true in some individual cases, but from a macroeconomic perspective there are far more people willing to work than there are people willing to hire them.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    I supported ending it - but then I read things about people who stil heavily depend on it and have no choice.
    But if I support extending it then others who HAVE options but don't want to give up what they have now are a concern

    I think they need to start figuring out people's assistance based on their situation - and it will be different for many. . . there's no one single blanket solution that won't be a harm or benefit to one or all.

    For some people it seems that laziness is their sole reason for being unemployed.
    For others it's probably transportation and location - will they move if those expenses are covered - if so, get that ball rolling.
    What jobs are available and needing employees? Find the employees - and connect them with work.
    Maybe it's a lack of education OR an overabundance of education (as in: people who have a degree - and are considered 'overqualified' to do something) - these can be remedied. . . and over-qualifying people should be willing to relocate, as well.

    In order to solve this problem they need to first figure out what the problem is. . . and do the best they can on a more personalized level.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Democratic position is correct in this case. Extending unemployment benefits is one of the best forms of fiscal stimulus out there, because it increases the purchasing power of people who otherwise wouldn't have any. Using unused stimulus money to pay for it would defeat the purpose, and using TARP money doesn't even make sense.

    As for the idea that it's unregulated welfare...that might be true if the unemployment rate was lower, but when it's over 9% I think it's hard to make the argument that it's discouraging people from finding work. That might be true in some individual cases, but from a macroeconomic perspective there are far more people willing to work than there are people willing to hire them.
    Agreed, the money is much more well spent than funding two wars...


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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Democratic position is correct in this case. Extending unemployment benefits is one of the best forms of fiscal stimulus out there, because it increases the purchasing power of people who otherwise wouldn't have any. Using unused stimulus money to pay for it would defeat the purpose, and using TARP money doesn't even make sense.

    As for the idea that it's unregulated welfare...that might be true if the unemployment rate was lower, but when it's over 9% I think it's hard to make the argument that it's discouraging people from finding work. That might be true in some individual cases, but from a macroeconomic perspective there are far more people willing to work than there are people willing to hire them.
    The problem I have with the saying "it increases the purchasing power of people", is then why not apply to it all people, working or not? Heck, if I had an extra "XXX" dollars, I could afford to buy some woodworking tools that I am still saving for. It is not a purchase of need (food, shelter), but it would still put money into the economy, provide jobs for those that make the tools, etc. At what point do we say enough is enough for unemployment checks. It also tells me at this point in time we have too many people in this country if almost 10% are unemployed.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    I chose "Other."

    Instead of putting that government money into unemployment benefits, I would rather that government money go to government job programs and government education programs to re-train people for jobs in other markets.

    Use that money to rebuild our infrastructure. Use that money to build high-speed rail systems. Use that money to re-train employees. Use that money for small business loans.

    But don't use that money to pay for people who won't get a job just there's no market for what they're trained in. If an art student has to get a job at a fast food place because there's no market for artists then an engineer should have to get a job as a janitor when there's no market for engineers. That's life and thems the breaks.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    I've been wanting them to end these benefits for over a year. It serves little purpose but to endorse and further entitlement. There are too many people using it as an excuse not to look for a job. Hell, I know this just anecdotally, because I know a few people on the dole that are working hard not to get off of it. It's essentially legalized theft, and it's getting out of hand.

    If you've been phased out of your current job, you should learn a new skill set instead of just waiting for if and when something you were doing suddenly pops up again. Some people really need the tough love, or else they'll get used to coddling.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Government played a great role in our unemployment so government should be accountable. It's only unregulated welfare if the Obama administration continues to be anti-business and anti-consumer. Use the money from stimulus, issue tax cuts to everyone, and lets have a pro-business pro-consumer atmosphere in Washington rather than have the "so I know who's ass to tax, I mean kick" social justice taxation nonsense. Anyone who goes "LMAO! GET A JOB!" probably hasn't lost one around the time of the bailouts while living in California. Learning a new skill, not getting unemployment and looking for a job isn't going to change the job market unless you want to become a teacher and teach all of the people who think simply learning a new skill is going to award them a job in a California depression. This money is being extorted anyways so why not give it back to people who have lost their jobs due to Government shenanigans and ponzi schemes funded by an income that was heavily taxed when they did have jobs.

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