View Poll Results: What should be done about unemployment benefits?

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  • Extend them through deficit spending

    14 21.54%
  • Extend them, but pay for them with unpaid stimulus/tarp funds

    19 29.23%
  • Don't extend them, it is unregulated welfare

    22 33.85%
  • Other, Explain:

    8 12.31%
  • Don't you touch my unemployment benefits!!

    2 3.08%
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Thread: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Anyone that votes DONT PASS the extension needs a dose of my reality. And something to get rid of your exteme ignorance.
    another stunning bit of libertarian logic



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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Nobody knows where the extension will end. Nobody can predict the future, and shouldn't even try.

    What we do know is with no extension millions will have no money to spend, and spending keeps the economy going, allows more time for overall recovery.

    Imagine the tearful disappointment on the faces of millions of kids when they get no Christmas presents.

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    so we should tax those who have jobs and take money from them to buy christmas presents for the children of those who don't have jobs



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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Local lady used to make six figures. She lost her job due to the recession, burnt through savings, lost her home, and is now selling her wedding ring to avoid being forced to sleep in her car at night. She's been looking for a job, even crappy jobs, but keeps being told she's overqualified.

    Rich people: You are not immune to this. It can happen to you. It's not just people being lazy, there are more unemployed people than there are jobs, period.

    What else are we to do? People left in tatters will become desperate. Desperate people will do what it takes to survive.
    I will keep this in mind the next time one of the libs claim that everyone in the top 2% can handle having their taxes on salaries jacked up 10% and their taxes on dividends more than doubled



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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so we should tax those who have jobs and take money from them to buy christmas presents for the children of those who don't have jobs
    All insurance works this way. Like homeowner's, lots of people pay in, but not everybody benefits. I guess your problem with it must be its a public system. But it works, and I'm sure has helped a lot of people and the overall economy for the last two years+.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Call it what you want. But people paid in, and some are being benefited.

    I don't guess you can imagine the US, since 2008, without unemployment insurance? Think our current situation would be a lot worse? Course it would. More credit defaults, more foreclosures, more rental leases breached, more domino effect, an even deeper recession...


    Theft is theft, what that theft does to help or not help others is immaterial. You shouldn't support it because someone isn't homeless now, or someone doesn't lose a meal, its still fundamentally wrong to steal from others regardless.

    Entitlements remind me of Robin Hood in so many ways. Was Robin Hood noble, or was he only changing up who plays what role? Was his theft noble because it helped people?

    Answer, Robin Hood was a douche because the act of the theft made him the hero, it made him the leader, the man that all must depend on. It made him a douche because he didn't give people what they needed to get out, instead he gave himself a chance to have power over all those needy. He wasn't interested in helping them at all, he was interested in helping himself. If he was interested in them he wouldn't of stole from the rich, he would of fought for the poor, for their interests, for their cause. He would of taught them what they needed to know to fight, he would of taught them what they needed to make it on their own, but instead he stole from the rich and gave others their gold, which that gold that was given to the poor will run out and they have no way to replace it other than going through Robin Hood. Robin Hood was a douche, a lier, a deserver, and a thief. He was not noble at all and neither is entitlements.

    The fact is I don't much care what the results without it would of been, I care for the correct means of fixing a problem, and not resorting to stealing from people.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    All insurance works this way. Like homeowner's, lots of people pay in, but not everybody benefits. I guess your problem with it must be its a public system. But it works, and I'm sure has helped a lot of people and the overall economy for the last two years+.
    what bothers me is it is not an insurance plan anymore-its blatant income redistribution designed to keep more people dependent on the government while justifying to the weakminded that the government properly takes from some and gives to others.

    keeping people dependent on the government is how dems create new voters



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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    She would not be hired by a lot of companies because she is overqualified. As a waitress she most likely would have higher qualifications then most managers (depending on restaurant of course) and they would be very reluctant to hire her because of that
    especially in this environment i doubt it; i have a friend who graduated law school and went to work as a waiter because there weren't any openings in his city. he was the fourth lawyer there, and there were at least two other people with masters degrees.

    if you can get a highly skilled employee for a low price then you are economically suicidal not to do so.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    especially in this environment i doubt it; i have a friend who graduated law school and went to work as a waiter because there weren't any openings in his city. he was the fourth lawyer there, and there were at least two other people with masters degrees.

    if you can get a highly skilled employee for a low price then you are economically suicidal not to do so.
    One federal attorney's office in Ohio has a former supreme court clerk working for FREE as an appellate division staff attorney. Why she agreed to work for free is beyond me since someone with that sort of credential normally commands big bucks at big big firms (some of the top firms give recruits with a SC clerkship a 20,000 bonus for example). maybe she hopes to get a job there when there is an opening and can afford it

    but that she is doing work for free when others get 145K or so a year to do the same thing doesn't mean she is being taken advantage of. the opening was posted, dozens applied and she got the job fully knowing the terms



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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    especially in this environment i doubt it; i have a friend who graduated law school and went to work as a waiter because there weren't any openings in his city. he was the fourth lawyer there, and there were at least two other people with masters degrees.

    if you can get a highly skilled employee for a low price then you are economically suicidal not to do so.
    Highly skilled lawyers do not always make for highly skilled waiters, nor would they always make for a good work environment.

    A recent grad of course would be different then a lawyer with 10 years of practice behind him wanting the same position. One is just out of school, and most likely still has the attitude that would make for a good waiter. One that has worked in the field for 10 years is another story
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    another stunning bit of libertarian logic
    libertarian until it's my entitlement getting gored, it seems.

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