View Poll Results: What should be done about unemployment benefits?

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  • Extend them through deficit spending

    14 21.54%
  • Extend them, but pay for them with unpaid stimulus/tarp funds

    19 29.23%
  • Don't extend them, it is unregulated welfare

    22 33.85%
  • Other, Explain:

    8 12.31%
  • Don't you touch my unemployment benefits!!

    2 3.08%
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Thread: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    One choice should have been, "REPEAL THEM." Unemployment benefits are among the tons of things any government should never be doing.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    One choice should have been, "REPEAL THEM." Unemployment benefits are among the tons of things any government should never be doing.

    Charity is NOT a legitimate function of government. It should be done solely by charities, churches, and other private entities.
    Agree 100% when it comes to the Federal government. But repealing federal unemployment benefits would require adhering to the constitution.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    As I said, I think as a social experiment they should stop the federal funding of unemployment and see what happens in the 9 months span they do that.

    What I would love to see even more than that is government student loans have far more forgiveness. I still owe the government $20,000 and they want to threaten this and that over my loan, we give these ****ing banks and car makers money and they don't even have to fully pay back a few billion? You got to be ****ing kidding me.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Consumption doesn’t drive growth, investment drives growth.
    OK, but what drives investment? Consumption.

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    When businesses are able to expand, plan for the future, hire more workers, purchase new equipment, pay higher salaries,
    They do those things in order to sell more, ie more consumption.

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    and allow the investors to purchase luxury items and services from developing businesses,
    That IS consumption, it's just rich people doing it.

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    You said extending unemployment benefits increases purchasing power, but that’s not true. If you borrow a million dollars, that doesn’t make you a millionaire. The government is stealing from the investors in order to drive consumption that would have happened anyway if investors had the money to invest in the economy.
    The government isn't taking money away from investors, because it is borrowing money rather than raising taxes. The investors are able to invest AND the consumers are able to consume. Both will help the economy.

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    We aren’t increasing purchasing power by borrowing from China to fund extensions of unemployment benefits. We are actually decreasing future purchasing power, delivering future purchasing power to China through their ROI, taking purchasing power from the investing class and guaranteeing that we will not see economic recovery.
    It's true that the current level of deficit spending is unsustainable, but that's the point. It doesn't NEED to be sustained, it just needs to get us through a period of high unemployment. High deficit spending during bad economic times, and balancing the budget during good economic times will help smooth out the economic cycle.

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    Stimulus of consumption has taken us to 9.6% unemployment. Reducing taxes on investors in the past decade took us to 4.5% unemployment.
    To my knowledge, no federal taxes have increased since the recession began.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I voted other. I feel that those on unemployment should prove to the government that they are trying to get a job and submit a sample of their resume to the government. They should tell the government what jobs they have applied to, and the government should be able to audit these and call those employers to see if it is true. I have no problem with unemployment for those who absolutely need it, but many are just sucking money from the government and choosing to not work because they can get a free check.
    I think this is already the case in that people must look for work and document that effort to receive unemployment benefits.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, but what drives investment? Consumption.
    But you can't consume without consumption.

    The government isn't taking money away from investors, because it is borrowing money rather than raising taxes. The investors are able to invest AND the consumers are able to consume. Both will help the economy.
    That takes away capital. There is no way around that. Government spending NECESSARILY decreases private investment.

    It's true that the current level of deficit spending is unsustainable, but that's the point. It doesn't NEED to be sustained, it just needs to get us through a period of high unemployment. High deficit spending during bad economic times, and balancing the budget during good economic times will help smooth out the economic cycle.
    Except it does nothing to fix the capital markets. In fact, it makes their situation much worse. Sure, prices fell for them in 2007, but they're on the rise again.



    To my knowledge, no federal taxes have increased since the recession began.
    You really have to emphasize federal on that, don't you?

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Also bear in mind that there are 5 job seekers for every job out there.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Extend them one last time, making sure to get the message out "This is the final extension." Maybe it will give an extra boost to those who are unemployed to get a new job.
    I'd agree - but I'd put a time limit on the extension. As of Feb 1st, unemployment will run out. No more extensions, no more extras. So if you can't find a job in your field, time to change fields. If you have to go work at a meat packing plant when your previous employment was computer science, then that's what you'll have to do. That, or set up shop at your local YMCA and fight the wino's this winter for a cot and a hot bowl of broth.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That takes away capital. There is no way around that. Government spending NECESSARILY decreases private investment.
    Sure, but borrowing money doesn't take away capital today. It takes away capital in the future, when hopefully the economy will have recovered. Borrow during bad times, pay back (or at least balance the budget) during good times. This smooths out the economic cycle. Yes, it takes away private investment during booms, but that's better than taking it away during busts.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez
    Except it does nothing to fix the capital markets. In fact, it makes their situation much worse. Sure, prices fell for them in 2007, but they're on the rise again.

    I'm not sure what this proves, other than that demand is stronger when the economy is good...
    From looking at that chart, it's not really clear to me what you think needs to be "fixed." Speculative bubbles?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez
    You really have to emphasize federal on that, don't you?
    I don't really know what the states have been doing. Probably a hodgepodge of tax hikes and tax cuts, depending on the state. But for the record, I'm opposed to most state tax hikes during recessions too. Wait until unemployment goes down before raising taxes.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure, but borrowing money doesn't take away capital today. It takes away capital in the future, when hopefully the economy will have recovered. Borrow during bad times, pay back (or at least balance the budget) during good times. This smooths out the economic cycle. Yes, it takes away private investment during boom times, but that's better than taking it away during busts.
    Capital exists. You can't borrow against the future. You borrow now. You can't seriously say that my borrowing money now has no effect on someone else who is trying to borrow. I've necessarily dried up some capital.

    I'm not sure what this proves, other than that demand is stronger when the economy is good...
    And demand is stronger? Do you think that there's been a significant change when unemployment is still so high?

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    I don't really know what the states have been doing. Probably a hodgepodge of tax hikes and tax cuts, depending on the state. But for the record, I'm opposed to state tax hikes during recessions too. Wait until unemployment goes down before raising taxes.
    But the benefit doesn't come from some mythical multiplier effect. If that were the case then spending money or cutting taxes would have the same effect. They don't. Government spending is far less efficient. People spend their own money better and use it to invest which would lead to more production.

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