View Poll Results: What should be done about unemployment benefits?

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  • Extend them through deficit spending

    14 21.54%
  • Extend them, but pay for them with unpaid stimulus/tarp funds

    19 29.23%
  • Don't extend them, it is unregulated welfare

    22 33.85%
  • Other, Explain:

    8 12.31%
  • Don't you touch my unemployment benefits!!

    2 3.08%
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Thread: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    You gotta be kidding me You are really gonna bitch about folks that worked and got layed off?


    Last you checked there's a job available for about everybody willing to pick up a hammer? What world are you living in?
    A world where 20-30 million pour over our southern border and manage to find jobs on a pretty regular basis.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It means that we haven't had a really significant drought/famine/anything like that in this country because of speculation. Better cultivation methods and other things have played a significant role as well, but because of speculation we've survived when those things have happened.
    WHat do you mean by SPECULATION?
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The various militia groups in the US, when people go out in the middle of the day and play soldier instead of going to a real job, they tend to be on disability collecting money from the government for their "bad" back that prevents them from working, but not hanging out in the woods playing with toys
    i'd like to see your numbers and sourcing on the percentage of right wingers who are good with guns who are actually living on full disability while serving as members of a militia?

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    When did I make this claim?
    I'm not saying that you did. But wouldn't support of welfare and other programs kind of justify evidence of that kind?

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    You gotta be kidding me You are really gonna bitch about folks that worked and got layed off?


    Last you checked there's a job available for about everybody willing to pick up a hammer? What world are you living in?
    The real world. You think that there aren't some people who are out there collecting benefits because they don't want to work, but easily could?

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    WHat do you mean by SPECULATION?
    Speculation, as in when people buy goods when they are priced low and sell them when they are priced high. It's why we have pretty even produce prices all year even though we're not farming the same crops all year.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Speculation, as in when people buy goods when they are priced low and sell them when they are priced high. It's why we have pretty even produce prices all year even though we're not farming the same crops all year.
    evil speculators.... taking innocent farmers profits and predatorily stealing from them their risks too!!!

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its your loss pal. I guess you want to dish it out but cannot take it. Fine with me.

    I do notice that your posts are pretty much just bumper sticker cliches from the right wing.
    Yes, well, that is swell. I already said what I think of yours.


    The usual rightist libertarian malarkey that is the kool-aid of the True Believers. Your worshipping before the altar of right wing ideology is evidenced in this comment from you concerning taxes and your invocation of Robin Hood
    You appear to hate Atlas Strugged I see, I wonder if Ayn Rand said anything about Robin Hood in Atlas Strugged?

    "[Robin Hood] is the man who became a symbol of the idea that need, not achievement, is the source of rights, that we don‘t have to produce, only to want, that the earned does not belong to us, but the unearned does. He became a justification for every mediocrity who, unable to make his own living, has demanded the power to dispose of the property of his betters, by proclaiming his willingness to devote his life to his inferiors at the price of robbing his superiors. . . . Until men learn that of all human symbols, Robin Hood is the most immoral and the most contemptible, there will be no justice on earth and no way for mankind to survive."
    -- Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged, 1957)
    She could always nail you guys to the wall. Hell, when she wrote or spoke about you people it wasn't so much you guys being nailed to the wall it more like you guys becoming part of the wall. Always wonderful.

    Btw, what I said about Robin Hood was not from what she said about Robin Hood. I have thought bad of Robin Hood since I was in high school a decade ago and I didn't actually read that book of hers that you hate or she mentions Robin Hood in until last year. I do however remember what she said about him well. It is however interesting you hate her so. She nails you guys hard, so I guess the rapist you have to hate when you get raped. Afterall, it only makes sense.

    Of course you do not care what the results would have been. To someone like you the results never ever matter. It is all about ideology, theory, the abstract position, and the "correct means" of everything. As if there is such a thing in the real world.
    I don't know man, but curing a disease usually involves curing the disease. Maybe I'm just naive like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    So, is most taxation theft to you?
    In principle? Yeah. In practice? no. For this, all you have to ask yourself is does it represent the people that pay into it? Well, does it? No, the idea they might get representation at some point and time is not the same thing. That isn't even touching that its completely unjustified.

    You know each person, and party, and clique favors certain taxes and disfavors others. For instance, there is a libertarian on the radio who prettymuch wants most federal taxes repealed. But one day a listener called in and agreed with that sentiment and listed departments and services he would like discontinued. He mentioned the National Park Service, and the libertarian host said 'But I like the national parks.
    Why would he agree with national parks? They're a great idea, sure, but its not justified for the government to do. Kinda interesting if that is true. Then again, I have no idea who you are talking about.

    Anyway, I'm a capitalist, but I don't have a problem with the unemployment insurance setup. The general working public is not smart enough, or maybe not industrious enough to prepare for years of joblessness, or even for a few months of it. That's just the way it is. That's the reality, regardless of your ideals. But you honestly say that you don't care, and there's no arguing that. We just disagree.
    I don't see how them not being prepared for the reality of life should act like an excuse for you to say I'm not in line with the reality of life.
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