View Poll Results: What should be done about unemployment benefits?

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  • Extend them through deficit spending

    14 21.54%
  • Extend them, but pay for them with unpaid stimulus/tarp funds

    19 29.23%
  • Don't extend them, it is unregulated welfare

    22 33.85%
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    8 12.31%
  • Don't you touch my unemployment benefits!!

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Thread: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Nice denial, you got there. Look up the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1938, hmm? If you really care you can also look up its 1933 counter part. For a teacher you sure are uneducated. Just saying...

    The resulting damage, the way it was done, its purpose, does not open it up to justification.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and it also was necessary to save the entire agricultural industry and get them on the road to profitability so that they could feed Americans for year after year after year.
    okay. you tell me. how did destroying crops and cattle save the entire agricultural industry? farmers spent alot of time profitably producing food after that?

    oh wait, no they didn't; we went through a decade and more of privation and lack.

    but i like the switch from "that did not happen!" to "it was necessary!" anything to defend that moron FDR.

    Again. FDR knew that. Farmers knew that. Economists knew that.
    actually even Keynes thought FDR was an idiot here.

    Agrucultural experts knew that.
    agribusiness knows that subsidies are free money.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Nice denial, you got there. Look up the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1938, hmm? If you really care you can also look up its 1933 counter part. For a teacher you sure are uneducated. Just saying...

    The resulting damage, the way it was done, its purpose, does not open it up to justification.
    So you can read but it seems to fail to comprehend.

    Where in my post do I deny such things happened. I asked to see the proof of the allegation so I could better understand how it was being interpreted and used. I clearly stated that there were reasons for this program. Reasons that FDT understood. Reasons that farmers understood. Reasons that economists understood. And reasons that agricultural experts understood. The reason was simple: farmers could not stay in business when the price for their products were lower than their costs of production. And if farmers went out of business then Americans could not be fed. So we get a cheap burger, chicken or eggs today and eat well for a day or ten, but then we all starve down the road when there is nobody around to produce our food supply.

    I wonder why the Cato Insitutue does not know this?
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    from cpwill

    but i like the switch from "that did not happen!" to "it was necessary!" anything to defend that moron FDR.
    You seem also to have a simple comprehension problem. I asked you to prove what you said so that I could see your evidence and where it came from and how you were interpreting it. The selected destruction of sectors of the agricultural industry is a bit different that the idea that mean old FDR went around gathering up all the nations food and destroying it so people would starve no matter what ideological conclusions the Cato Institute would have us make based on a less than honest presentation of the entire story.
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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the answer to your question is that charity tends to rise and fall in inverse proportion to government giving. the only time i am aware of in American history where feeding ourselves was a true difficulty was in the 1930's; when the Government gathered up and destroyed the food.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is most interesting. Could you please provide some factual documentation to support your claim about charity and government "giving" (and what exactly is that?) And what is this about the government gathering up the food and destroying it in the 1930's?
    pretty blatantly questioning it.

    but whatever.

    FDR caused mass hunger with a hairbrained scheme that helped farmers not at all (helped some big agribusinesses) because the man was unable to grasp even the basics of supply and demand.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Good people that have done the best they can in thier life are losing thier HOME because of the lack of extended unemplyment benefitss. Unemplyment is at 9.8% in Illinois. Are you saying SCREW THEM?????????????
    You're looking at this the wrong way. They have no right to that money. On top of that, it creates an incentive to not look for work. It's a negative on top of a negative, and it needs to be ended. If they were living off of their savings I would have no problem with it, but the fact is that they have no right to this money and we need to stop extending these benefits. It's not screwing them over, it's putting an end to the moral hazard.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    You seem also to have a simple comprehension problem. I asked you to prove what you said so that I could see your evidence and where it came from and how you were interpreting it. The selected destruction of sectors of the agricultural industry is a bit different that the idea that mean old FDR went around gathering up all the nations food and destroying it so people would starve no matter what ideological conclusions the Cato Institute would have us make based on a less than honest presentation of the entire story.
    Pigs were slaughtered as people were starving! What other proof do you need?

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    he needs it to defend FDR.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But what you're forgetting is the costs involved in for that lawyer to train as a lawyer. Which means they've likely gone into debt to get that training, but won't be able to pay that debt back working a $10 an hour wage.
    Investments fail all the time.

    On one hand, I agree with you about the changes in demand. But despite changes in demand of different job markets, the costs of that person's education is still retained.
    He made a poor investment.

    So the question I have is how can changing and fluctuating job markets, and the wages and salaries of someone in that job market makes, get in tune with the costs of educating and training someone for that job market?
    They shouldn't be if the demand isn't there. If education is expensive and the benefit is low, then obviously that market is saturated with labor. Those people obviously should be educated elsewhere. If you were to change the system then you'd have too many lawyers and not enough specialists in other fields.

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    Re: Unemployment benefits: who's right?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hmmm you don't think an argument can be made for those not working full time who seek to be? it seems to toss that out tosses out unemployment alltogether.
    It's a very subjective idea. I want to work full time, but I want to get paid $15 an hour with health benefits and blah blah blah. See the problem? Maybe that person can't find that full time job, so they'll take the part time job. Just because you supposedly "want to work full time" doesn't mean that your demands line up with the reality of the job market.

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