View Poll Results: What is your political idealogy and Do you support the TSA procedures

Voters
42. You may not vote on this poll
  • I'm Conservative and I generally support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    3 7.14%
  • I'm conservative and I generally do NOT support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    13 30.95%
  • I'm centrist and I generally support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    4 9.52%
  • I'm centrist and I gnerally do NOT support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    9 21.43%
  • I'm liberal and I generally support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    3 7.14%
  • I'm liberal and I generally do NOT support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    10 23.81%
Page 8 of 10 FirstFirst ... 678910 LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 91

Thread: Do you support the TSA procedures

  1. #71
    Educator O_Guru's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Last Seen
    01-06-13 @ 06:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    758

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Thanks.... I'm not averse to having any security at the airports... but there is reasonable and there is pushing things too far... and I think that the american people are speaking quite loudly, in general, that their genitals IS the line in the sand.

    Fourth amendment says it quite clearly. You have the right to be free in your persons and property against unlawful search and seizure.... and the laws and the specific charges may vary by state, but I promise you that wherever you live, if you as an individual walk up and touch another person in the genitals OVER the clothes IS an arrestable offence... UNDER the clothes, you'll probably be in jail 5-10 years. If the person you touch is below a certain age threshold then it becomes molestation / pedophilia, etc..

    Anyway, even if it is NOT a specific constitutional violation (this WILL be challenged in court, if the cases haven't already started), this is in violation of the law. First, a sworn police officer can ONLY touch your genital area as part of a search in VERY strict and limited circumstance and even THEN it MUST be a same sex officer to remove any sexual connotations. There's gotta be a police officer on the board that can vouch for this...
    this is what im talking about you do understand that the bolded above is 10)% NOTHING like what TSA is doing right? its not the same ball park at all, hell its not even the same universe.

    you are comparing a stranger touching your genital without warrant, cause, concern or your approval for no reason but to do it and to do it in a surprising fashion to TSA

    when a person is "volunteering" to be searched by an "agent" whos job it is to do so, so that you may fly on a plane and the reasoning is to keep people safe?

    those arent even close to the same, if you dont like the policies that is fine but when you do the above im going to call you on it every time because you have no leg to stand on when this is what you are comparing it too.
    PURE STUPIDITY 1.) Glenn Beck doesnt lie. 2.) Obama is Jesus like 3.) Sara Palin is so smart & shes a great speaker. 4.) Obama does just about everything perfect. 5.) Fox doesn' t lean right 6.) Pro-Choice is no different than Pro-Slavery 7.) MSNBC doesn't lean left. 8.) What TSA does is no different than sexual assault & child porn.

  2. #72
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:25 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,754

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    well thats a grey area, since you KNOW you are going to be searched, if you make it that far and THEN change you're mind im sure you will be forced because now you have given enough suspicious reason to be forced. Just like If i identify myself has the police and you run thats reasonable suspicion. now I guess you could argue and say "i didnt know" but im guessing that wouldnt work because at this point who doesnt know

    also and anyone feel free to correct me but i read that you have to get metal or xray and if you refuse either THEN you get "molested" but like I said not sure if thats actually how it works, nor do I really care because I have ZERO problems with the policies, I fly often but havent in few months cause my flying is usually feb-jun at least once a month for work.
    Found this interesting reading: Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I’m sure many people don’t know – but the majority likely do, I agree.

    Still, suppose the following:
    Person A does not want to be searched, and has heard about said searches in detail, and so forth.
    Person A wants’ to travel via air.
    Person A goes to the airport and tells the security staff something like “I’ll submit to the scans and such, but not the pat-down and “fondling”, so if your scans find something they are interested in, I’m heading home”.
    Now, Person A has not submitted to the “search and seizure” voluntarily, have they?

    Or are the scans considered a “search”?
    Damnit…

    So, taking my limited understanding of the law into account, would they be within their rights to go through security to the point of being asked to submit to a “invasive pat-down”, and then tell the TSA people “nope, I’m not allowing that, and if you insist on it I’m just going to leave”?

    It seems a gray area…

    If the “search and seizure” is determined to have started when they entered the security check-point, were they “voluntarily” submitting to it?

    And if they resist part-way through, can they be forcibly submitted to it? Or is it like the right to silence, which if I understand correctly (from TV shows, movies, and fiction books, I admit) can be applied at any point?

    Now, if the TSA agents have “probable cause”, can they forcibly search someone?

    I’m not too clear on this whole thing…

    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  3. #73
    Educator O_Guru's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Last Seen
    01-06-13 @ 06:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    758

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Found this interesting reading: Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I’m sure many people don’t know – but the majority likely do, I agree.

    Still, suppose the following:
    Person A does not want to be searched, and has heard about said searches in detail, and so forth.
    Person A wants’ to travel via air.
    Person A goes to the airport and tells the security staff something like “I’ll submit to the scans and such, but not the pat-down and “fondling”, so if your scans find something they are interested in, I’m heading home”.
    Now, Person A has not submitted to the “search and seizure” voluntarily, have they?

    Or are the scans considered a “search”?
    Damnit…

    So, taking my limited understanding of the law into account, would they be within their rights to go through security to the point of being asked to submit to a “invasive pat-down”, and then tell the TSA people “nope, I’m not allowing that, and if you insist on it I’m just going to leave”?

    It seems a gray area…

    If the “search and seizure” is determined to have started when they entered the security check-point, were they “voluntarily” submitting to it?

    And if they resist part-way through, can they be forcibly submitted to it? Or is it like the right to silence, which if I understand correctly (from TV shows, movies, and fiction books, I admit) can be applied at any point?

    Now, if the TSA agents have “probable cause”, can they forcibly search someone?

    I’m not too clear on this whole thing…

    that is an interesting scenario but this is the issue once something is found that is when you lose your rights. Scan or metal is a partial search just like at the a courthouse or school or amusement park etc. metal beeps its on to the next step, you refuse, here comes extra help security police or whatever

    If a cop pulls me over and asks to search my car I can say no, and he cant without more (smelling of drugs/alcohol, I swiped a parked car etc.) but if he then asks to search me and i say yes and I forgot i had something illegal in my pocket he now gets to search the car whether I want him to or not. He also gets to search the rest of me even if I tell him to stop.

    So thats the catch, if I subject myself to any initial search and something shows up then game over im now suspect.

    I really dont get why anyone cares? its fine to disagree but all this extra emotion? I see no logic behind it
    PURE STUPIDITY 1.) Glenn Beck doesnt lie. 2.) Obama is Jesus like 3.) Sara Palin is so smart & shes a great speaker. 4.) Obama does just about everything perfect. 5.) Fox doesn' t lean right 6.) Pro-Choice is no different than Pro-Slavery 7.) MSNBC doesn't lean left. 8.) What TSA does is no different than sexual assault & child porn.

  4. #74
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 11:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,849

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    Small sample size so far, but liberal and conservative opposition to the policy is pretty much the same. (80% conservative, 75% liberal)
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  5. #75
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    01-03-16 @ 02:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,761

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    more dramatics, it must be terrifying living in your world, your ramblings dont even make sense, could you be any more void of logic?

    nobody is being FORCED thats the end of the discussion lol
    when you have something logical please let me know, save the drama for the theater
    dont like it dont fly
    Or better yet, become an insider who gets to go around those security checks...

    I could think like you and give stupid examples too if you like

    - nurses and doctors molest me
    Wait, in your mind, a person who has 8 years minimum of training, and has demonstrated a mastery in his field before being allowed his credentials and has ethical guidelines and procedures through which to act is comparable to an entry-level minimum wage person given a badge?? When a dr touches you in ANY WAY he first tells you what he's going to do, and is doing so analytically, professionally.

    - so does my physical trainer
    Comparable to a doctor, but I don't think your physical trainer needs to touch under your clothes.

    - my daughters coach molest her when they stretch her out or tell me how she has "filled out" perverts!
    Umm... well, the stretching out part is probably innocent, but if I get the 'filled out' comment from a coach that might raise a red flag.

    - the bowling alley violates the constitution because the make me where bowling shoes, no where in the constitution does it say i have to do so IT DOESNT!
    Ya, you can buy your own shoes or use the ones supplied... he doesn't keep your shoes, and he doesn't rub your feet while putting the shoes on, so there is no relevence to the point. The shoes are to protect the hardwood floors of the alley, among other reasons... further, the alley shoes are disinfected with each use.

    _my nephew went to a school where they had metal detectors and would pat him down, WHAT HAPPENED TO INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!! another constitution violation!!! and when I go to the hockey and football games they do the same thing!!!!!!
    That's another issue of using the same tactics to go overboard with security... and really another discussion altogether... the difference again is the metal detectors and any physical search is done with a wand and does not pat down any sensitive areas. Not a strips search... the only more in depth kind of search would be a full body cavity search.

    - when i interviewed for my job i had to get a physical, some "hired help" took blood and urine from me then she told me to drop my pants and fondled my privates saying she was checking for disease and hernia, YEAH RIGHT i know she assaulted me!!!!!
    Again, Dr vs thug with a badge. I can see certain areas of work where passing a physical would be prudent, and a requirement of the employer based on insuring the employee would be well suited to the job (and / or not on drugs).

    LOL see how dumb that is?
    while these are all true stories I choose to live in reality and not jump off the deep end into a world of fantasy, hysteria and the ever so popular "slippery slope" argument sorry I pick logic and rational thinking or emotional dramatics seems like we'll just always disagree on this since you choose the later
    Well, yes, you are right, that the process is the metal detector first, and people pulled out of line for the body scanners, and if you rather not get a second dose of radiation and have someone look at a naked image of your body, then you must put up with a groping, in some cases under the clothes... that's where there's a disconnect, because the people that will get scanned and violated the most are those with artificial hips, knees, etc... and they have yet to stop a single 'terrorist' using any of these machines because whenever a terrorist boards a plane he's gone AROUND the security and like with the shoe and underwear bombers it was with the assistance of 'sharp dressed men'.

    You chose not to believe in the 'slippery slope'?? Well, hate to break it to you, but we're already on it... and the airports are the prime example : First was metal detectors, then take your shoes off, then no liquids, then the body scanners, then an escalation in the pat-downs if you feel that the machines are unsafe, so, what's next on this progression?? Or are people going to push back enough to turn the tide on this trend, or are we going to see these procedures expand....

    ???

  6. #76
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,512

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I like that even after shoving a bomb up his ass, he couldn't kill the Prince. ****ing terrorists are so inept, and these are the people we're freaking out about.
    Well they hijacked four plans and kill thousands of people.. so all of them aren't inept

  7. #77
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Maryland
    Last Seen
    01-10-12 @ 12:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    906

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    This isn't meant to be scornful, but can people who have a problem with this stuff tell me why they're so horrified by the body scans in particular and the pat downs?

    It isn't like they're (in most cases) screen testing you for a porn shoot and taking living color nudes of your figure.

  8. #78
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:25 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,754

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    This isn't meant to be scornful, but can people who have a problem with this stuff tell me why they're so horrified by the body scans in particular and the pat downs?

    It isn't like they're (in most cases) screen testing you for a porn shoot and taking living color nudes of your figure.
    Some people take their privacy (more specifically, avoiding anyone seeing them nude except their mates/offspring/close relatives) more seriously than others.

    To the point that they do not wish anyone to see them even close to naked, even on a scanner.

    Or so I gather.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  9. #79
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,512

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    I really don't support the TSA... and the health concerns with the x raying I am very opposed to.. It's like forcing a medical procedure on somebody for no reason. It can be avoided, and the TSA isn't medically trained...

    I don't support the tsa doing this.. but I think they need to do something. I am just not sure what. I want to feel safe when I fly though..

  10. #80
    Educator O_Guru's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Last Seen
    01-06-13 @ 06:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    758

    Re: Do you support the TSA procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Or better yet, become an insider who gets to go around those security checks...


    Wait, in your mind, a person who has 8 years minimum of training, and has demonstrated a mastery in his field before being allowed his credentials and has ethical guidelines and procedures through which to act is comparable to an entry-level minimum wage person given a badge?? When a dr touches you in ANY WAY he first tells you what he's going to do, and is doing so analytically, professionally.



    Comparable to a doctor, but I don't think your physical trainer needs to touch under your clothes.



    Umm... well, the stretching out part is probably innocent, but if I get the 'filled out' comment from a coach that might raise a red flag.



    Ya, you can buy your own shoes or use the ones supplied... he doesn't keep your shoes, and he doesn't rub your feet while putting the shoes on, so there is no relevence to the point. The shoes are to protect the hardwood floors of the alley, among other reasons... further, the alley shoes are disinfected with each use.



    That's another issue of using the same tactics to go overboard with security... and really another discussion altogether... the difference again is the metal detectors and any physical search is done with a wand and does not pat down any sensitive areas. Not a strips search... the only more in depth kind of search would be a full body cavity search.



    Again, Dr vs thug with a badge. I can see certain areas of work where passing a physical would be prudent, and a requirement of the employer based on insuring the employee would be well suited to the job (and / or not on drugs).



    Well, yes, you are right, that the process is the metal detector first, and people pulled out of line for the body scanners, and if you rather not get a second dose of radiation and have someone look at a naked image of your body, then you must put up with a groping, in some cases under the clothes... that's where there's a disconnect, because the people that will get scanned and violated the most are those with artificial hips, knees, etc... and they have yet to stop a single 'terrorist' using any of these machines because whenever a terrorist boards a plane he's gone AROUND the security and like with the shoe and underwear bombers it was with the assistance of 'sharp dressed men'.

    You chose not to believe in the 'slippery slope'?? Well, hate to break it to you, but we're already on it... and the airports are the prime example : First was metal detectors, then take your shoes off, then no liquids, then the body scanners, then an escalation in the pat-downs if you feel that the machines are unsafe, so, what's next on this progression?? Or are people going to push back enough to turn the tide on this trend, or are we going to see these procedures expand....

    ???
    WOW?!?!?!?! simply wow

    theres no hope for you my friend, you just proved rational thought, reality and logic arent close friends of yours. Well you keep fighting that good imaginary fight, LOOK OUT SOMEONE IS LOOKING IN YOUR WINDOWS RIGHT NOW!!!!!!! lol

    sorry like I said Im good friends with rational thought, reason and logic so we wont agree Ill continue to live in reality and you can keep living in fantasy and being friends with paranoia, extreme dramatics and the irrational

    like I said when you have some logic to show me how this violates the constitution and bill or rights ill be waiting until then feel free to keep talking in circles and nonsense
    PURE STUPIDITY 1.) Glenn Beck doesnt lie. 2.) Obama is Jesus like 3.) Sara Palin is so smart & shes a great speaker. 4.) Obama does just about everything perfect. 5.) Fox doesn' t lean right 6.) Pro-Choice is no different than Pro-Slavery 7.) MSNBC doesn't lean left. 8.) What TSA does is no different than sexual assault & child porn.

Page 8 of 10 FirstFirst ... 678910 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •