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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Spy spy spy. It is what it is. Slowing the government is rarely bad. We want to talk about our lives, well we ****ed that one up when we got involved in wars we had no place being involved in. You want to save American lives? Let's persue a non-aggressive, non-interventionist international policy and that will go well further than spying in keeping us safe. But here we have a bit of information and all of a sudden the establishment is ****ting itself. What's the problem. If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. HAHAHAHAHAH. I always wanted to use that argument against the government. Regardless, there was nothing of immense importance released and if it's just going to take a few things on some internet page to bring major destruction to our military and our plans in the area.....maybe we didn't have anything planned out in the first place. And if that's the case, we shouldn't even be monkeying with the situation. Do or do not. I'm tending towards the latter.
    ah. so your solution is irresponsibility. got it.

    foolishness. this is one of the few things the national government is supposed to do. you might as well say that you wish the police in your neighborhood caught fewer rapists. then you'd be sticking it to the man, hey?

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. so your solution is irresponsibility. got it.

    foolishness. this is one of the few things the national government is supposed to do. you might as well say that you wish the police in your neighborhood caught fewer rapists. then you'd be sticking it to the man, hey?
    Hello hyperbole, how have you been? Looks like you're going strong, good for you.

    The solution isn't irresponsibility, it's quite the opposite actually. It's an account of what is an actual threat to us and proper reactions we can take through the government to lessen those actual threats. Shaking the hornets nest isn't the only way to get rid of bees.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Yes, the US government should shut it down. It's one thing to leak government documents in order to expose wrongdoing or potential wrongdoing. It's a completely different situation when they're releasing documents just for the hell of it. That has a chilling effect on candor and openness in the future.

    One of the things I am most astounded by is how good the State Department looks. In 300,000 documents, there are only a few minor instances of government officials behaving badly (like trying to steal Ban Ki-Moon's credit card numbers and biometric data). For the most part, I am very impressed by how honestly and openly our government seems to have behaved.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    They should both shut it(and sites like it) down, and revamp their security clearance/access within the government. No reasonable government should allow classified documents to A) leak B) Get reported by someone when there is a leak.

    For example, I held a top secret security clearance working with some electronics countermeasure gear and communications gear. Now I can't tell you who shot Kennedy, or anything cool. But if I was a source of a leak of IFF codes, frequencies, etc... and handed it to an outside agency to use, it would be the responsibility of my government to actively seek out and shut down the party that received the information, as well as find the leak and shut me down. Take out the supply and the demand.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hello hyperbole, how have you been?
    no hyperbole; your solution apparently involves us magically going backwards through time and altering past US policy to the point where we aren't where we are today. it's to live in a simplistic world where no other nation has to perform balancing acts, politics are never local, and the emphasis can safely be put on the perfect rather than being debased to merely the best the best possible (also known as the least bad). to call that approach irresponsibility isn't hyperbole, it's to avoid other terms like cognitive dissonance.

    however, let's tackle this one at a time: Pakistan letting us remove fissile material from within striking range of Al-Quada: good or bad?
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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    For example, I held a top secret security clearance working with some electronics countermeasure gear and communications gear. Now I can't tell you who shot Kennedy, or anything cool.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, the US government should shut it down. It's one thing to leak government documents in order to expose wrongdoing or potential wrongdoing. It's a completely different situation when they're releasing documents just for the hell of it. That has a chilling effect on candor and openness in the future.

    One of the things I am most astounded by is how good the State Department looks. In 300,000 documents, there are only a few minor instances of government officials behaving badly (like trying to steal Ban Ki-Moon's credit card numbers and biometric data). For the most part, I am very impressed by how honestly and openly our government seems to have behaved.
    frankly, i'm entertained by how they seem to reinforce a conservative, realist worldview. China - yes - is a bad guy. Everybody in the Middle East wants us to take out the Iranian nuclear program. Letting irresponsible regimes like North Korea develop nukes and the missiles to carry them does come with proliferation problems.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Would you shut down a pedophile site that could / does harm the young? HELL YES!!!!!!! Shut down a site that would / could harm ALL Americans???????? YES!!!!!!
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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Would you shut down a pedophile site that could / does harm the young? HELL YES!!!!!!! Shut down a site that would / could harm ALL Americans???????? YES!!!!!!
    Wow, talk about going from one extreme to the other. I've yet to hear of anyone getting physically harmed due to these leaks. In anycase perhaps you should view post #2.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    -- 2: Even if they were to shut wikileaks down all that they would have to do is switch to a different server. There are probably millions of servers available in the world so probably wouldn't do much good--
    According to the WSJ, Wikileaks has (in the US) been hosted on Amazon servers during the cyber attack on its main service.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    -- The only thing that our government could do is to make their classified information security tougher and go after the people that leak the information to begin with. Taking out the secondary reporting agencies does nothing if you have not taking out the first cause of the leaks. Especially since those that are the first cause could just send the info to someone else
    I begin to think Manning has done you guys a favour -though it doesn't feel like it yet. What he's done is exposed the range of important as well as trite and gossip style information that may be cluttering up this network.

    The whole purpose of Siprnet was originally to create a central store of classified that various security departments could use and share relevant information regarding pertinent security threats that the US had to know about and had to have everyone informed about.

    By becoming diluted into a network for all sorts of Govt information since 2001 - including whether such irrelevant things like Prince Andrew being a bit grumpy or what certain ambassadors thought of other worl leaders they dealt with - hasn't the whole thing become tainted?
    Wasn't such a thing as Wikileaks always going to happen then?

    Storing relevant absolulty critical data that was about the integral safety of the US should be the prime mission aim of such a network, in such a case I doubt anyone (including Private Manning) would have ever thought of copying over and making public files really would harm the US's ability to keep an eye on terror groups and individuals trying to operate in the US.

    N.B. to Kal'Stang - I simply quoted your post as you made some good points that I wanted to expand on or explore, I don't disagree the points you've made there.

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