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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because we're not China.
    neither are we Tibet. when you threaten American lives through any means; that's one of the few true functions of the Federal Government - to hunt you down and destroy you.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yup; the downside is that it's going to make it alot harder for those of us who actually work on the damn thing to do research.

    one guy, always screwing it up for everyone...
    Well there's something to be said about slowing down the government's databasing ability.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    neither are we Tibet. when you threaten American lives through any means; that's one of the few true functions of the Federal Government - to hunt you down and destroy you.
    Tibet get's is ass kicked whenever China wants to roll up in there and kill some monks. Let's be Germany, ambitious and misunderstood. While I agree that direct threat to our sovereignty can elicit military response, I'm not sure what that has to do with the current discussion. There didn't yet seem anything released which would compromise a large portion of our national security. A bunch of **** with some dickhead king in SA, blah blah blah.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well there's something to be said about slowing down the government's databasing ability.
    we are hunting down terrorists and spying on potential threats; we are researching in order to provide better operational pictures to tactical, operational, and theater commanders so that they can make better informed decisions in a real-time environment. 'slowing down' and limiting research capability in a real-time environment can mean increased American casualties. that's what i'm regretting here: the necessary security precautions that we are going to have to take are going to cost lives. our lives our allies lives; Wikileaks kills coming and going. there is nothing "to be said" for it.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Tibet get's is ass kicked whenever China wants to roll up in there and kill some monks. Let's be Germany, ambitious and misunderstood. While I agree that direct threat to our sovereignty can elicit military response, I'm not sure what that has to do with the current discussion. There didn't yet seem anything released which would compromise a large portion of our national security. A bunch of **** with some dickhead king in SA, blah blah blah.
    well you aren't stupid, so i'm going to assume you simply aren't thinking this through.

    there are three components of Al Quada umbrella that are currently most active in seeking to attack western targets (none of this is classified, btw, this is all open-source, which is why i am assuming that you simply haven't done your homework): they are Al-Quada in Yemen, Al-Quada in Somalia (known as al-shabaab), and the Quetta-based central trunk.

    NOW: of the nations that have had their ability to communicate secretly with us most hampered by wikileaks; easily the two top contenders are Saudi Arabia (as you mention) and Pakistan.



    care to guess which two nations were supplying us the majority of our near-time information on those three operational groups? care to guess which two we need to have the best covert interaction with to head off attacks before they succeed? care to guess which two nations just learned that they shouldn't be talking to or working with us because we can't guarantee them basic security?



    there are very, very good reasons why we would want to keep things like "we are trying to get Pakistan to let us remove some of their more vulnerable enriched uranium" secret; namely because if they are not secret, then we won't be able to do them, and then we have left holy hell within striking distance of psychopathic nihilists bent on chaos, destruction, and death.
    Last edited by cpwill; 11-30-10 at 04:21 PM.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Wikileaks is a free agency. They can do what they want.

    The U.S. needs to have tighter security and better personnel screening. People keep forgetting that the leaks are coming from the inside. Wikileaks isn't breaking into databases illegally, it is getting information willfully handed to it from people who do have access.

    This incident should not increase the momentum toward giving the government more control to infringe upon the internet. The internet is not the issue here whatsoever.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    we are hunting down terrorists and spying on potential threats; we are researching in order to provide better operational pictures to tactical, operational, and theater commanders so that they can make better informed decisions in a real-time environment. 'slowing down' and limiting research capability in a real-time environment can mean increased American casualties. that's what i'm regretting here: the necessary security precautions that we are going to have to take are going to cost lives. our lives our allies lives; Wikileaks kills coming and going. there is nothing "to be said" for it.
    Spy spy spy. It is what it is. Slowing the government is rarely bad. We want to talk about our lives, well we ****ed that one up when we got involved in wars we had no place being involved in. You want to save American lives? Let's persue a non-aggressive, non-interventionist international policy and that will go well further than spying in keeping us safe. But here we have a bit of information and all of a sudden the establishment is ****ting itself. What's the problem. If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. HAHAHAHAHAH. I always wanted to use that argument against the government. Regardless, there was nothing of immense importance released and if it's just going to take a few things on some internet page to bring major destruction to our military and our plans in the area.....maybe we didn't have anything planned out in the first place. And if that's the case, we shouldn't even be monkeying with the situation. Do or do not. I'm tending towards the latter.
    Last edited by Ikari; 11-30-10 at 04:21 PM.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Security training is a regular occurance for all Fed employees. Reduction in the amount of classified information would help, along with reduction in the number of copies of classified information. You can bet that SIPRNET will get a work over. OPSEC needs to be applied vigorously. Manning needs to be hung.
    SIPRNet was the ONE secure communications method in the world. Impregnable. Incapable of being hacked. If you tapped lines the best you could get was noise. Point to point encryption. unfortunately...It always had one weak link...the people that worked on it.

    Its been a while since I was in the 'underworld' but I can tell you without question that these breaches did not occur where we worked and God have mercy on the soul who may have left secure traffic on a monitor or printer. We had TPI in all instances when TS material was even potential.

    Im afraid I have very little sympathy for whoever is responsible for leaking the data. I have the hammer and nails...and wouldnt hesitate to put them to use.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    As for shutting down the website...eh...probably not. This is a problem that calls for the 3 dollar solution.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government shut down WikiLeaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    care to guess which two nations were supplying us the majority of our near-time information on those three operational groups?
    The same ones who do the best to offer support and aid to terrorist organizations? Seriously, if Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are your Aces in the hole, I think it's best to cut our losses here. The only reason we're "friends" with SA is because of oil. Otherwise, it's an oppressive and dominating government that we'd never be friendly with. It's all BS in the end. There are much better ways to combat terrorism than having some piss ant King of some theocracy in the desert telling us how we have to use our military and against whom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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