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  • 1 to 2 years

    2 7.69%
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    Re: How long will he live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Still don't see the argument that it's morally dubious. Contrary to spud_meister's assertion, it's hardly pointless because if he comes down with so much as a hangnail others will understand that they **** with the American government at their own risk.
    The threat of death has never being a deterrent, as studies on the death penalty have shown, so I still assert it is pointless and immoral to kill him.
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    Re: How long will he live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Okay, so it wouldn't be very effective. I still don't see how it's morally dubious.
    Why would it be ok to kill him? Morally speaking of course.
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    Re: How long will he live?

    I don't see how merely questioning how long it will be before someone kills him can be considered an example of lacking morals. The OP was not calling for this douches death, just asking when it would occur. typical liberal BS from Hatuey
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    Re: How long will he live?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    The threat of death has never being a deterrent, as studies on the death penalty have shown, so I still assert it is pointless and immoral to kill him.
    The death penalty is a proven deterrent, and I suspect that if Julian Fries Assange knew he'd be offed beforehand, he'd have thought twice. I'd say the same for the 22-year old moron that provided the info. If they line up the kid that stole the documents and fill him full of lead, you don't think the next potential idiot will think twice? You betcha.

    On the other hand we have the German Terrorists in the RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion) that killed innocent people. They've released some of these idiots. Idiots that should never see the light of day. Now; should some wiseguy terrorist of the Islamofascist persuasion find himself behind bars for life in a German prison for committing heinous acts... his lawyer has grounds to have the idiot released based on judicial precedent of other terrorists being released. If the RAF morons were killed, it might have been a deterrent. Instead, a horrific message is sent.

    Knowing you have a chance at life only encourages some borderline idiots.

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    We believe that this has occurred in part because of the strong signal that the death penalty sent to violent criminals and murderers: we won't excuse criminals, we will punish them. Last September 1 marked a new era in our fight against crime. The death penalty became the law of New York State.

    Shortly before the death penalty went into effect I listened to the families of 20 murder victims as they told of their pain. No family should have to go through such a wrenching experience. I will never forget the words of Janice Hunter, whose 27-year-old daughter was stabbed 47 times by serial killer Nathaniel White in 1992.
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    Protecting the residents of New York against crime and violence is my first priority. Indeed, it is the most fundamental duty of government. For too long, coddling of criminals allowed unacceptable levels of violence to permeate the streets. They were not subject to swift and certain punishment and, as a result, violent criminal acts were not deterred.

    For more than two decades, New York was without the death penalty. During this time, fear of crime was compounded by the fact that, too often, it largely went unpunished.

    No more. In New York, the death penalty has turned the tables on fear and put it back where it belongs-in the hearts of criminals. Within just one year, the death penalty helped produce a dramatic drop in violent crime. Just as important, it has restored New Yorkers' confidence in the justice system because they know their government genuinely is committed to their safety.
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    Re: How long will he live?

    Salmon Rushdie has a new book out. Mick Jagger and Jane Fonda are still alive, I think? Hell, even Barack Hussein Obama looks healthy.

    And Zim, the death penalty has never deterred a single thing.
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    Re: How long will he live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    And Zim, the death penalty has never deterred a single thing.
    and gun control has reduced the amount of gun related crime...
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    Re: How long will he live?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and gun control has reduced the amount of gun related crime...
    For every study Zimmer can find that says the death penalty deters crime, I can find two that say it doesn't. However I doubt it'd be possible to find an unbiased source, so it's rather a moot point.
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    Re: How long will he live?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    For every study Zimmer can find that says the death penalty deters crime, I can find two that say it doesn't. However I doubt it'd be possible to find an unbiased source, so it's rather a moot point.
    all it takes is ONE example to prove that it does deter crime. it may not deter everyone, but it will deter some. To say that the death penalty does not deter crime is like saying that if you ban guns, no one will have a gun.
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    Re: How long will he live?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    all it takes is ONE example to prove that it does deter crime. it may not deter everyone, but it will deter some. To say that the death penalty does not deter crime is like saying that if you ban guns, no one will have a gun.
    It helps to have as much info as possible and if possible uncontradictory info so we can look at the potential cost-benefit analysis. At least thats my take on the issue.

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    Re: How long will he live?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    all it takes is ONE example to prove that it does deter crime. it may not deter everyone, but it will deter some. To say that the death penalty does not deter crime is like saying that if you ban guns, no one will have a gun.
    Comparing two non-entities usually causes an analogy to fall flat. Like yours.

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