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  • America is better than most countries.

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  • America is better than some and worse than others.

    17 26.15%
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    But Bush and the neo-conservatives completely abrogated America's moral exceptionalism, with torture, detentions without trial, running roughshod over civil liberties in the name of "security."
    You obviously haven't read much of their writings if you believe that.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I've always seen American exceptionalism as the uniquely American devotion to rule of law in government. Unyielding respect for human rights, habeas corpus, and due process are what makes America exceptional among all the other countries that have ever existed.
    Are we talking about the same America, here? Because I just spent a few hours getting roasted on another site for defending the Trail of Tears.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Are we talking about the same America, here? Because I just spent a few hours getting roasted on another site for defending the Trail of Tears.
    Wow, do you also defend the Bataan March?

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Exceptional at doing what, not just a general assessment of dozens of noteworthy accomplishments.
    Right now, I don't think we're particularly exceptional at much of anything. Economically, are we exceptional? I think not. Politically? No. Are we a business powerhouse? No. Socially? Hell no. There's nothing all that special about us in practice at the moment, about all anyone can argue is that we're exceptional ideologically, but how much does that matter when the ideas don't match the reality?
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I'll modify my original post, for further clarity:

    No, America is not exceptional. Exceptional would mean that it is unique and great and unparalleled in the world, which it certainly is not. America has many virtues, and many detriments. It has done great things for the world, and also horrible things for the world. It has both advanced and impeded the march towards progress, and its people have both been noble, honourable and intelligent, and greedy, selfish and arrogant.

    America is not exceptional because it is not substantially different from any of the othe great nations in history, nor the other great powers of today.

    America is just one player among many on the grand canvas of history, and affording it the title of "best", "greatest" or "exceptional" would be incorrect and arrogant, often even nationalistic.

    Has America done great things? Yes. Has America done horrible things? Yes. Is America an important nation when looking at the entire history of the world? Yes. Is America exceptional because of it? No, definitely not.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Do you believe in American exceptionalism?

    American exceptionalism: an old idea and a new political battle
    This is my first post here, so I may have missed most of the discussion.

    However, when I hear, "American Exceptionalism," I believe that most of those who use it say that America is exceptional just because. I believe that's wrong. America isn't exceptional just because we're America - any exceptionalism of the United States is because of it's people and culture, which is an insult to those who have made the U.S. as great as it is, and an insult to the ways in which they've done so.

    Also, I think the belief of American Exceptionalism white-washes the abuses and horrors that our government and culture have perpetuated on others. The genocide of the Native Americans is one. Abuses to children and workers is another.

    So while I do think that the United States, as a whole, is exceptional, I don't think it is an inherent quality, and I don't think it is perfect.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    At a point in our history, America was exceptional, but since WW1, many countries have become democracies and we lost that edge.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I think we are a great country...perhaps the best in the world, perhaps in history.

    But I again am still more interested in the fact that most people are focusing on that good nature, rather than just a peculiar people that we are, which does not necessarily mean good, better, or best.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    There are few well thought out posts that support the Nation that first recognized individual rights to speak out and make their feelings and thoughts known.

    Are there things we could have done better as a Nation? Hell yes.

    If one takes the time and stops being a "Firster for few minutes and weighs the Nations accomplishments compared to all other Nations in History in all areas of Human existence the United States comes out on top by a wide margin, whether you are talking about literature, science, Medicine, Government, individual and human rights.

    You name a subject and the contribution to human kind by our Nation is unequaled, and it's the American people acting under the Greatest two documents ever written in the History of the World that made it possible.

    Without the Declaration of Independence and Our Constitution we would be no better than any other Nation.

    What is amazing to me is how many people who is asked would claim to be good Americans are in fact "Firster" who want nothing less than the destruction of America and it comes out in their hateful name calling post here every day.

    I am ashamed of them and wish they would stop pretending to care about the Nation they clearly hate and love to bash.

    Now they have a leader to bolster their hateful Anti-American rants.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    At a point in our history, America was exceptional, but since WW1, many countries have become democracies and we lost that edge.
    That inherently implies that somehow simply having votes made us exceptional. Aside from the fact we were far from the first to implement such a method the abusive system we employed was actual several degrees worse than that of several other countries. This is not consider the influence of mob violence. Of course, it is not surprising because people actually say the words "American does not torture" and think those words have some historic significance when they really just indicate someone has not done enough research into U.S. history.

    Sure, the U.S. was formed on the basis of some rather great principles, but this country was not even close to living up to them for nearly two centuries. China also has a number of great principles but when you get right down to it what matters is implementation not theoretical potential.

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    There are few well thought out posts that support the Nation that first recognized individual rights to speak out and make their feelings and thoughts known.
    Actually the first recorded instance of a country recognizing human rights was an act by Cyrus the Great of the Persian Empire that gave people the right to practice their religion and abolished slavery. Ironically the supposedly freedom-loving Greeks that are always portrayed as such humanist advocates of liberty by the West in films and history courses, with the savage Easterners portrayed as bloodthirsty imperialists, were long involved in the slave trade.

    If one takes the time and stops being a "Firster for few minutes and weighs the Nations accomplishments compared to all other Nations in History in all areas of Human existence the United States comes out on top by a wide margin, whether you are talking about literature, science, Medicine, Government, individual and human rights.
    That depends on how you gauge it. Are you counting Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla among those who have accomplished something for America despite them both being from Europe? Let us not forget that the Founders did not come up with much, but simply looked at the ideas of various people in history from Europe and elsewhere. Benjamin Franklin in particular was a fan of Confucius.
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