View Poll Results: Do you believe in American exceptionalism?

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  • Yes. America is truly exceptional.

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  • America is better than most countries.

    7 10.77%
  • America is better than some and worse than others.

    17 26.15%
  • America isn't exceptional.

    15 23.08%
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I believe that we are an exceptional nation. But I also believe that there are some nations that I would really like to use their ideas. I don't think that we are the most free nation, not anymore anyway. But I also don't believe that those nations that do have some of the freedoms that I would like to see here are better than us.

    We certainly could do better in managing our government (and personal) finances. And there are other areas where we could improve, including healthcare, fair and equal treatment, dealing with drugs, legal matters, illegal immigration, etc. However, I don't think there is any nation that has it completely right.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    Why do so many Conservatives live on nothing but fear and anger.
    You saw fear and anger in that speech?? I saw a love of country and an optimistic view of her future.
    Moonbattery: Marco Rubio on American Exceptionalism
    Try listening again. Isn't he an inspiration?
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    Why do so many Conservatives live on nothing but fear and anger.
    I don't see that much negative about it.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You saw fear and anger in that speech?? I saw a love of country and an optimistic view of her future.
    Moonbattery: Marco Rubio on American Exceptionalism
    Try listening again. Isn't he an inspiration?
    Try listening again! . . Its tha attitude. I have been reading your posts. Your full of anger and fear. Its very sad.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The U.S. is no more exceptional than any other country. American exceptionalism is just a romanticization of this country by nationalists who use lies and exaggerations to advance a much less altruistic agenda.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    To define American exceptionalism, you have to draw comparisons. Every country has its strengths and weaknesses. If you get caught up too much in pride you will fail to see the latter, and that is a dangerous precipice. It's more useful to be the best that you can be through the actions you take. The more time people sit around talking about how great they are, the less time they are spending on self-improvement. It goes for individuals and entire nations.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I've always seen American exceptionalism as the uniquely American devotion to rule of law in government. Unyielding respect for human rights, habeas corpus, and due process are what makes America exceptional among all the other countries that have ever existed.

    It is what makes America a morally great nation. But Bush and the neo-conservatives completely abrogated America's moral exceptionalism, with torture, detentions without trial, running roughshod over civil liberties in the name of "security." Obama didn't fulfill any of his promises in this regard, and Tea-Partiers who certainly seem to have no interest in returning to the rule of law. I fear precedent set by Bush II was the undoing of the end of American exceptionalism and we may never get it back.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Of course it's exceptional. The Declaration of Independence was truly exceptional at a time when the French were struggling through 70 years of democracy experimentation (even managed to vote in a dictator). It's the reason Europeans and Asians had a free trade pass through the Mediterranean Sea in the early 19th century. Are we really pretending that half of the world didn't gravitate towards us post WWII? It's the reason beaten World War II enemies got a fair shake unlike the beaten WWI enemies. It's the reason Europe picked itself back up and the reason Japan is an economic success. It's the reason everyone looks to America to lead every true crisis. It's the reason a divided Germany and a divided Korea wants Americans parked at their borders. It's the reason Hollywood has been the greatest influence upon other cultures. It's the reason the UN didn't crumble away like the League of Nations. It's the reason we live in a globalized world today. It's the reason so much of the world's economy is absolutely invested in us. And it's the reason space is being explored. It's the reason we have the reputation for good morality, which is certainly the reason the whole world has a heart attack whenever we are less than perfect and mimic a sliver of what they do.

    America destroyed, helped destroy, or had been a part of the destruction of 11 empires in its history. The greatest force for good with the most powerful military in history managed to become the only super power without becoming a dictatorship, without being imperialists, and without colonizing the world. It managed to re-create itself through the centuries with every wave of immigration because it chose not to default to ethnic cleansing and extermination.

    Every nation has its reasons to declare exceptionalism within their borders. But only America can truly be exceptional in regards to leading the world to a positive place. American exceptionalism transcends its borders.
    All this indicates is that anyone who says America is exceptional is not even sufficiently well-versed in American history let alone world history. Even though people know about how we treated the natives and about things like slavery, Jim Crow, and internment camps in World War II people still say we are "better" than other countries. None of that is even close to summarizing all the bloody and oppressive aspects of our history.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I tend to roll my eyes at American Exceptionalism.

    It's the same attitude that was prevalent during the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire fell because they bought into their own legend. ALL empires boom then bust. America is good right now, but I'm under no illusions that it's the country that will endure for all time.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    All this indicates is that anyone who says America is exceptional is not even sufficiently well-versed in American history let alone world history. Even though people know about how we treated the natives and about things like slavery, Jim Crow, and internment camps in World War II people still say we are "better" than other countries. None of that is even close to summarizing all the bloody and oppressive aspects of our history.
    The other thing is that the U.S. isn't that old. It did invent a lot of new ideas about governance but if those ideas don't stand the test of time then what's the point?

    Comparing the U.S. to France is comparing a young country to a very old country, so it's important to delineate the big picture here.

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