View Poll Results: Do you believe in American exceptionalism?

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  • Yes. America is truly exceptional.

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  • America is better than most countries.

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  • America is better than some and worse than others.

    17 26.15%
  • America isn't exceptional.

    15 23.08%
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Thread: American Exceptionalism

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How is this different from the current systems in most western nations?
    From the 1800's to 1933, this was the freest nation in the world. Starting in 1933, those freedoms began to erode in favor of financial security via the federal government. Today, those freedoms are all but lost...a dream that once was. American Exceptionaism was the realization of that dream that only died off in the 70's when the government's "security" suppressed freedom to the point that the individual's ability to succeed was lost.

    How are we different than other western countries? We aren't, except for the fact that we have mechanisms in place that allow the citizens to return our country to the freedom based republic that turned a colony of outcasts into the greatest country in human history.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    From the 1800's to 1933, this was the freest nation in the world. Starting in 1933, those freedoms began to erode in favor of financial security via the federal government. Today, those freedoms are all but lost...a dream that once was. American Exceptionaism was the realization of that dream that only died off in the 70's when the government's "security" suppressed freedom to the point that the individual's ability to succeed was lost.
    I don't mean to spoil your party, but ... "freest nation in the world from the 1800's to 1933"? Do you think African Americans or native Americans will agree?
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    The root term of exceptionalism is "exception" and so American exceptionalism suggests that the United States is some sort of exception in the world. Not only is the notion ridiculous on an intellectual level it is offensive on a moral level.

    Certainly no country is just like the U.S., but that is not the same as being exceptional because no country is just like another country. There are always differences. Saying one country is completely unique while throwing in that what makes it unique is inherently good automatically suggests the country is better than others.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    American exceptionalism is about ordinary people being free to do extraordinary things. It's about being founded on this principle, that people can government themselves. Each sovereign person, by governing his own actions, respects the rights of others; can best decide his own course.
    I'm behind ksu_aviator, this is exactly what "American exceptionalism" is. There's a reason we were called the Land of Oppurtunity. And I think America is very lucky that we've had more than our fair share of great minds, great thinkers, and great leaders.

    We're not any different than say Germany, but from what we've seen in this country's past, it has just been incredibly lucky in the people who call themselves Americans.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    "Exceptional" is a term of perspective, it all depends on what you as an individual value and what you think a country, your country, needs to be "exceptional." So a German may find his country exceptional for a set of reasons "A" and American unexceptional for a set of reasons "B" and an American may find his country exceptional for a set of reasons "B" and Germany unexceptional for set of reasons "A."

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Of course it's exceptional. The Declaration of Independence was truly exceptional at a time when the French were struggling through 70 years of democracy experimentation (even managed to vote in a dictator). It's the reason Europeans and Asians had a free trade pass through the Mediterranean Sea in the early 19th century. Are we really pretending that half of the world didn't gravitate towards us post WWII? It's the reason beaten World War II enemies got a fair shake unlike the beaten WWI enemies. It's the reason Europe picked itself back up and the reason Japan is an economic success. It's the reason everyone looks to America to lead every true crisis. It's the reason a divided Germany and a divided Korea wants Americans parked at their borders. It's the reason Hollywood has been the greatest influence upon other cultures. It's the reason the UN didn't crumble away like the League of Nations. It's the reason we live in a globalized world today. It's the reason so much of the world's economy is absolutely invested in us. And it's the reason space is being explored. It's the reason we have the reputation for good morality, which is certainly the reason the whole world has a heart attack whenever we are less than perfect and mimic a sliver of what they do.

    America destroyed, helped destroy, or had been a part of the destruction of 11 empires in its history. The greatest force for good with the most powerful military in history managed to become the only super power without becoming a dictatorship, without being imperialists, and without colonizing the world. It managed to re-create itself through the centuries with every wave of immigration because it chose not to default to ethnic cleansing and extermination.

    Every nation has its reasons to declare exceptionalism within their borders. But only America can truly be exceptional in regards to leading the world to a positive place. American exceptionalism transcends its borders.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I wish I had a president who believed in American Exceptionalism, because I sure do.
    Here's a guy who understands it and I wish he was making a presidential campaign speech here.

    Moonbattery: Marco Rubio on American Exceptionalism
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I admit to not being familiar with this idea, but reading this post and getting some excerpts is intriguing.

    I often find myself viewing a nation as a single entity, as if it were a person itself. I equate our highways and transportation systems as our blood vessels, delivering things where they need to go and our technology as an expanding neural network, connecting the parts together with light speed communication. I can get deeper with it, but you get the idea.

    Anyway, a part of that, is a sort of national awareness and conscious. Just as you need to take pride in yourself to maintain and improve who you are, a nation must have a degree of pride in itself as well. I do get the impression that our country is, for whatever reason, losing pride in itself. What will follow, will be a lethargy and apathy. Americans are still hard workers, and a good portion is still patriotic but it feels like it is diminishing in favor of a "global perspective". People that know me here, know that I favor a strong hawkish presence in foreign relations, but I don't favor one that diminishes our "bodily sovereignity" to outside forces. The talking point is respect for other cultures, but we need to make sure we are respecting ours first and foremost. All others are secondary considerations.

    I agree with both ideas that we are great, and that we have things we need to work on. But something that makes America exceptional, is our ability to self correct past wrongs and male ourselves better without outside influence. We do work on things and that makes us exceptional(along with other countries that have done so). We made the decision to free slaves, to embrace the civil rights movement, womens rights, elect a "minority" to the highest seat in the land, etc..... without outside pressure or influence.

    We need to believe in our country, because pride in it gives you the motivation to maintain and/or improve upon it. Hatred and disillusionment of our country will only lead to an unhealthy breakdown of its function.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I still hear American exceptionalism in Obama's rhetoric, though it is a different form that is usually repeated from those more on the American political right (the political right have a view that I happen to agree with).
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I wish I had a president who believed in American Exceptionalism, because I sure do.
    Here's a guy who understands it and I wish he was making a presidential campaign speech here.

    Moonbattery: Marco Rubio on American Exceptionalism
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