View Poll Results: Do you believe in American exceptionalism?

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  • America is better than some and worse than others.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    American exceptionalism is about ordinary people being free to do extraordinary things. It's about being founded on this principle, that people can government themselves. Each sovereign person, by governing his own actions, respects the rights of others; can best decide his own course.
    Last edited by American; 11-29-10 at 01:21 PM.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    American exceptionalism is about ordinary people being free to do extraordinary things. It's about being founded on this principle, that people can government themselves. Each sovereign person, by governing his own actions, respects the rights of others; can best decide his own course.
    Do you believe that this is more true in America than in other western nations, like Sweden or Australia?

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it certainly is now. however, there have been two major nations that have been the catalysts that created that movement: and those two nations are Britain, and the US.
    Do you believe that the U.S. has done more for democracy than nations like Australia and New Zealand?

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Do you believe that this is more true in America than in other western nations, like Sweden or Australia?
    Historically, yes. America achieved this state early and has maintained it. Along the way it has exported this concept to other parts of the world. A great example of liberty at work vs not, would be East and West Germany. There were identical Germans on both sides of the border with identical histories at the end of WWII. After 60 years, the difference were stark. The fact that America has done this far longer than others and achieved its dominance in the world is exceptional.
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    I chose "other", the cowards way out.
    We have the exceptional people here as other nations have tolerance problems; however, if we slip into the same abyss, and this is all too possible,
    then we will lose our edge.
    The Republican divisive victories several weeks ago do not, IMO, bode well.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Do you believe that the U.S. has done more for democracy than nations like Australia and New Zealand?
    absolutely. whether we have done more than Britain is questionable; but I think both nations have solid cases to make.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    American Exceptionalism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The problem is, a large portion of our population has forgotten it.
    it's not that we have forgotten, it's that the Baby Boomers decided not to teach it.

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Do you believe in American exceptionalism?

    American exceptionalism: an old idea and a new political battle
    American exceptionalism is such an amorphous concept that it really depends how you define it. Are there certain things that America is the best in the world at? Yes. Is America's position in the world guaranteed? Absolutely not.

    When it comes to different ways to measure a nation's "exceptionalism", America compares quite well to other developed countries by some metrics (e.g. military power, economic vibrancy, monetary stability, cultural impact, GDP per capita, civil liberties, tolerance toward other cultures, university education) but quite poor by other metrics (e.g. primary/secondary education, health, crime, poverty, incarceration, wealth disparity).
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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    absolutely. whether we have done more than Britain is questionable; but I think both nations have solid cases to make.
    Did you know that, per capita, Australia and New Zealand lost more service personnel in WWII than any other country? Why do we always forget about Australia? Is their commitment to freedom less substantial than ours?

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    Re: American Exceptionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    American exceptionalism is about ordinary people being free to do extraordinary things. It's about being founded on this principle, that people can government themselves. Each sovereign person, by governing his own actions, respects the rights of others; can best decide his own course.
    That actually sums it up quite well. The vast majority of political debate, especially between groups like left wingers and right wingers, comes from the respecting the rights of others part. A lot of people want their own rights respected, but aren't willing to give up a little to protect the rights of others. Religion in this country is a great example. Christian groups want to see society reflect their beliefs, but don't realize that the very freedoms that protect their faith also protect others from them. One can't abridge the rights of another in order to bolster one's own.

    I think if we took the respect for the rights of others a bit more seriously, a lot of these arguments we have would be simpler to resolve.
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