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Is Obama.....?

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ROTFLOL... CDU/CSU! LOL...

As you pointed out way back when, Schroeder started some economic reforms... Obama isn't cut from that cloth. He couldn't cut a sheet of paper.

Germany has over 100-years of entrenched socialism, and a press hostile to the free market. I recall Kirchoff's effect in 2005(?). It was an incredible sight. So, if someone wants a political future, they have to support socialist healthcare. Only when it gets so bad and collapses will there be change. With the slowing population growth, masses of retirees, economic pressures from emerging nations, it might take a couple more decades. It would require a long, slow slog to change minds... it'll be faster to watch the mess collapse.

CDU/CSU... no chance... Merkel lectured Obama on his spending. SPD? perhaps... he'd be on the far left of their docket. Die Linke is his home. Obi, Gysi and Lafontaine would have a heck of a good time together. I think he'd have pulled a Lafontaine... been a member of the SPD and leave the party for his real home.

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Hey zimmer, good to see you! How have you been doing? Are you still in Germany these days?

And I'm relieved we still disagree ... :lol:

You're right, Germany has a strong social democratic tradition (not actually "socialist"), for example, the Social Democrats established a constitutional state and a free, republican Constitution in 1919, they used force to crack down on revolutionary communist and socialist uprisings in Weimar and were the only party to vote against Hitler's Enabling Act in 1933 -- with such a great history, how could the Germans not be proud of social democracy? :peace

I don't think Obama is that radical as you say he is. At least President Obama isn't, maybe law student Obama once was.

Btw, what do you think of "yes we Cem!"-Özdemir?
 
I think he's just sorta the standard politician. Can't trust a damned thing he says, and you pretty much know that whatever it is that he's going to do; it ain't gonna be to benefit you.
 
you do know that's only because he didn't have votes in the DEMOCRAT caucus, right? :)

You do know that doesn't change what I said, right? ;)
 
There is no scam bigger than the federal government controlling health care. And when they tell you no, you're ****ed.

Far worse scam is private insurance. Guess who picks up the slack when THEY say no. The federal government.
 
1. Obama subscribes to a version of the ideal of Social Justice. He believes that the federal government is the best vehicle for use in achieving his conception of Social Justice.

2. Obama is not a Muslim. He is an Islamophile.

3. Obama is a lawyer and politician. That means he's a liar.

4. Obama is inexperienced. That means he's incompetent. As are his advisors.

Short and sweet, though point-3 doesn't apply to all lawyer/politicians, but it certainly applies to him; like pig and mud.

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You do know that doesn't change what I said, right? ;)

for the purpose of this thread (defining Obama) i think it does. don't make out like the Final Obamacare plan wasn't more moderate than he intended, or that his long term preferred goal isn't single-payer.
 
You didn't include "slave to corporate interests, like most of his predecessors."
 
Based on outcomes I was tempted to vote "Republican" (partly in jest, mainly because I don't see a significant distinction between the two parties), but based purely on his official party affiliation I voted Democrat.

You should allow multiple votes. The options aren't mutually exclusive.
 
Center/Left, Moderate/Pragmatist. Anyone that believes differently watches way too much FOX & Friends or never did their homework to begin with. None of this vitriole from the radical right has anything to do with Obama's liberalism or lack thereof. We all know this. Let's stop pretending there's no elephant in the room, okay?

Besides, they made a Clinton out to be a socialist coke dealer and a murderer. No, this isn't about liberalism at all, imho. It's about children not getting their way and throwing tantrums. It's about getting the gullible to fight for the elite, while gaining nothing for themselves. It's about manipulating otherwise decent people because governing is hard and many don't even know how it works (i.e. the Senate rules and why 60 votes, rather than a majority, is needed to pass legislation).
 
You may want to tell that to your Tea Party hero Jan Brewer. She is currently the only one exercising a death panel. She's killed a few of them off already, refusing to cover transplants as "experimental." Please stop blaming Democrats for what your party is up to. The only "death panels" to exist are coming from conservative concerns. Big insurance and Republican governors are now deciding who lives and dies. Why don't you want this stopped? Do you covet power over life and death as you and yours see fit?
 
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11 votes for socialism. I wonder how many of those people have read the "Socialism" page on Wikipedia.
 
You may want to tell that to your Tea Party hero Jan Brewer. She is currently the only one exercising a death panel. She's killed a few of them off already, refusing to cover transplants as "experimental." Please stop blaming Democrats for what your party is up to. The only "death panels" to exist are coming from conservative concerns. Big insurance and Republican governors are now deciding who lives and dies. Why don't you want this stopped? Do you covet power over life and death as you and yours see fit?
Sorry, but your account of her reason is factually incorrect.

Gov. Jan Brewer resists restoring Arizona transplant coverage
Gov. Jan Brewer on Tuesday continued to reject requests for a special session to restore medical transplant coverage, despite the growing national and local attention on the state's cuts.

Democratic legislators again called for Brewer to hold a special session or use discretionary federal stimulus funds to reinstate cuts for certain transplant coverage through the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System.

Brewer maintains her position that unless legislators provide a solution to what her office calls a $1 billion gap in funding for the Medicaid agency, she will not call a special session.

I'm NOT saying the coverage should not be restored, or that it should. I am simply correcting your factual error.
 
I guess I stand by my "Death Panel" statement. I mean, c'mon: A billion dollar deficit and the first thing this ultra-conservative, unelected Tea Party hero does is attack the neediest among us. Those people have no recourse. This is why legislation is important. As if a million or two against a billion dollar deficit would matter. I'm not blaming you, it just infuriates me. The far, far right always seems to hurt those who are the most vulnerable, all the while wrapping themselves in a flag and carrying a Bible. The real Death Panels are coming from Big Insurance. That was the heart of the problem, actually. But conservative professionals did what they always do: Attack the strengths, not the weaknesses, and the whole thing got twisted.

Of course, Dems suck at messaging, which never helps. Herding cats; getting Dems on message is like herding cats.
 
Actually, going in that direction as some would like is fascinating. As with 1917, should this man be convicted under the Espionage Act, they could then go after writers, journalists, scholars, teachers, intellectuals, certain religious leaders... Not like it hasn't happened before - it has. Those who questioned WWI found out how far punishment under this act could go.

Assange is not the leaker. He is the messenger and let's hope cooler heads prevail and we slow down a bit. Is he a scumbag? Probably. But an arch-villain? No. Imo.
 
I was going to go with Emperor Palpatine, but decided that he was actually just a democrat.
 
Mr. Obama the Christmas Poo

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Hiiiideeeee Ho!!!!!
 
no vote
incredibly controlled poll.
If you, the OP, hate Obama so, state your reason and be honest about it.
IMO, Mr Obama is trying to be all things to all people, a mistake.
 
I don't know what Obama believes in his innermost heart.

I do know that he spent a great deal of time with this radical-left 60's terrorist Ayers, and 20 years in Jeremiah Wright's church where a message of hating-Whitey was regularly preached. IIRC he also wrote some pretty radical articles not so long ago. His wife has made some statements that make you wonder about her views on race as well.

Given his past associations, it is not unreasonable to wonder if he may have Marxist tendencies, and possibly biased views about race relations. I'm not going to go so far as to say he IS Marxist or racist.... frankly I think what he mainly is, is a politician, in the worst sense of the word. I certainly don't see him as a Statesman or a real leader-type.

I voted "Socialist", as that seems relatively in line with his policy positions, among the options presented.
And, if I were in his shoes, I'd be the same way.
And probably dead..
Try to imagine 50 years of hatred and racism, yes, I know, and I am not dark skinned.
America still has a long ways to go.
 
And, if I were in his shoes, I'd be the same way.
And probably dead..
Try to imagine 50 years of hatred and racism, yes, I know, and I am not dark skinned.
America still has a long ways to go.

the problem with racism is that it is a two way street. until certain people realize that, the problem will continue.
 
11 votes for socialism. I wonder how many of those people have read the "Socialism" page on Wikipedia.

I wonder how many people actually think that Wikipedia is an unbiased, objective, accurate source. When my daughter was an undergrad, most of her profs would give you an F if you tried to use wiki-wiki as a source.
 
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