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    Re: Is Obama.....?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLOL... CDU/CSU! LOL...

    As you pointed out way back when, Schroeder started some economic reforms... Obama isn't cut from that cloth. He couldn't cut a sheet of paper.

    Germany has over 100-years of entrenched socialism, and a press hostile to the free market. I recall Kirchoff's effect in 2005(?). It was an incredible sight. So, if someone wants a political future, they have to support socialist healthcare. Only when it gets so bad and collapses will there be change. With the slowing population growth, masses of retirees, economic pressures from emerging nations, it might take a couple more decades. It would require a long, slow slog to change minds... it'll be faster to watch the mess collapse.

    CDU/CSU... no chance... Merkel lectured Obama on his spending. SPD? perhaps... he'd be on the far left of their docket. Die Linke is his home. Obi, Gysi and Lafontaine would have a heck of a good time together. I think he'd have pulled a Lafontaine... been a member of the SPD and leave the party for his real home.

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    Hey zimmer, good to see you! How have you been doing? Are you still in Germany these days?

    And I'm relieved we still disagree ...

    You're right, Germany has a strong social democratic tradition (not actually "socialist"), for example, the Social Democrats established a constitutional state and a free, republican Constitution in 1919, they used force to crack down on revolutionary communist and socialist uprisings in Weimar and were the only party to vote against Hitler's Enabling Act in 1933 -- with such a great history, how could the Germans not be proud of social democracy?

    I don't think Obama is that radical as you say he is. At least President Obama isn't, maybe law student Obama once was.

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    I think he's just sorta the standard politician. Can't trust a damned thing he says, and you pretty much know that whatever it is that he's going to do; it ain't gonna be to benefit you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you do know that's only because he didn't have votes in the DEMOCRAT caucus, right?
    You do know that doesn't change what I said, right?
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    There is no scam bigger than the federal government controlling health care. And when they tell you no, you're ****ed.
    Far worse scam is private insurance. Guess who picks up the slack when THEY say no. The federal government.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Is Obama.....?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    1. Obama subscribes to a version of the ideal of Social Justice. He believes that the federal government is the best vehicle for use in achieving his conception of Social Justice.

    2. Obama is not a Muslim. He is an Islamophile.

    3. Obama is a lawyer and politician. That means he's a liar.

    4. Obama is inexperienced. That means he's incompetent. As are his advisors.
    Short and sweet, though point-3 doesn't apply to all lawyer/politicians, but it certainly applies to him; like pig and mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Far worse scam is private insurance. Guess who picks up the slack when THEY say no. The federal government.
    That changes something...hmm?

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    Re: Is Obama.....?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You do know that doesn't change what I said, right?
    for the purpose of this thread (defining Obama) i think it does. don't make out like the Final Obamacare plan wasn't more moderate than he intended, or that his long term preferred goal isn't single-payer.

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    Re: Is Obama.....?

    You didn't include "slave to corporate interests, like most of his predecessors."
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    Re: Is Obama.....?

    Based on outcomes I was tempted to vote "Republican" (partly in jest, mainly because I don't see a significant distinction between the two parties), but based purely on his official party affiliation I voted Democrat.

    You should allow multiple votes. The options aren't mutually exclusive.

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    Re: Is Obama.....?

    Center/Left, Moderate/Pragmatist. Anyone that believes differently watches way too much FOX & Friends or never did their homework to begin with. None of this vitriole from the radical right has anything to do with Obama's liberalism or lack thereof. We all know this. Let's stop pretending there's no elephant in the room, okay?

    Besides, they made a Clinton out to be a socialist coke dealer and a murderer. No, this isn't about liberalism at all, imho. It's about children not getting their way and throwing tantrums. It's about getting the gullible to fight for the elite, while gaining nothing for themselves. It's about manipulating otherwise decent people because governing is hard and many don't even know how it works (i.e. the Senate rules and why 60 votes, rather than a majority, is needed to pass legislation).
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