View Poll Results: Which statement best reflects your opinion of the GM "thank you" ad?

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  • It's perfectly fine and appropriate.

    10 33.33%
  • It's ok but inaccurate. American's didn't voluntarily bail out GM

    5 16.67%
  • It's 100% inaccurate. The Gov. inappropriately bailed out GM.

    3 10.00%
  • It's a joke. The Gov. overstepped its bounds using tax money to buy an auto company.

    8 26.67%
  • Other (write in / explain)

    3 10.00%
  • Tarter sauce.

    1 3.33%
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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I think people need to open their eyes. GM got tax payer money that tax payers strongly protested. For them to say thank you is like a rapist thanking the raped for a fun night. It is sick and disgusting. And they didn't even repay us. That was the biggest lie of all. They got the bail out and then later got a tax break that was greater than the bail out so they could "repay" the bail out and save Obama's reputation. They aren't out of the woods yet.
    What is "sick and disgusting" is both your characterization of this without any support for your position and your comparing this to a terrible criminal act.
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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    i once was eating in a hotel restaurant where the Boston Celtics were staying on a road trip. In the booth right in back of me were a group of sports writers and broadcasters drinking away the afternoon before the game. They got to talking about what i guessed was a long running discussion about who was the best that had every played. Among the group was Johnny Most - the radio broadcaster for the Celts and Bob Ryan the Boston Globe writer who covered the team for three decades. Both of those men had seen thousands of pro games and had been students of the game for longer than I had been alive.

    I shut my mouth and opened my ears. I did not slink over and ask to join in. These men were authorities on the subject which they were holding forth upon. These men were experts on the topic. These men had forgotten more about the game than most other people would ever learn.

    I respect that.

    People are not equal. Opinions are not equal. Peoples opinions are not equal. I accept that and I accept that there are experts in fields that know a great deal more than i do.

    Paul Krugman is one of them.


    Here. this is a full-page ad taken out by literally hundreds of equally notable economists who came together to say that Krugman's claim that the porkulus was necessary to avoid a depression was bunk (not specifically attacking him; just that claim).


    that's the problem with appealing to a single authority in a contentious issue; there are bound to be others who disagree.


    NOW


    are you willing to stand up and attempt to defend the ridiculous claim that somehow our economy was saved by the GM bailout, or that the massive removal of investment capital via the "stimulus" somehow magically helped the economy?

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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What is "sick and disgusting" is both your characterization of this without any support for your position and your comparing this to a terrible criminal act.
    Public Opposes Auto Bailout by 60 Percent

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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    So is this a perversion of capitalism or merely an aspect of it? First a corporation receives aid from government, and thusly the people, then places an ad to thank the people in order to boost sales to take more of their money.
    I don't personally think government loans pervert capitalism.. and they are trying to boost sales with this ad, so I think capitalism wins

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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What is "sick and disgusting" is both your characterization of this without any support for your position and your comparing this to a terrible criminal act.
    He has a right to be angry.. but the rape comparison isn't realistic and is overboard IMO.. Getting raped is entirely different than the government loaning out tax revenue collected from you. Rape is a violent act. Somebody against the Iraq War could just say it felt like getting raped too, and be equally as wrong..
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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I think its excellent actually. And look.... I had MAJOR doubts..... infact I was PISSED Obama tossed them a rope. Now..... Im still a bit ticked BUT VERY thankful it worked. I cant BELIEVE it freakin' WORKED!
    Me too. GM is now scheduled to retake the #1 auto sales possibley in December. If they take it back I will take back what I said about the Bail Out. <I was really upset that WE bailed them out>

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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I think its excellent actually. And look.... I had MAJOR doubts..... infact I was PISSED Obama tossed them a rope. Now..... Im still a bit ticked BUT VERY thankful it worked. I cant BELIEVE it freakin' WORKED!
    Uhm.. of course the GM bailout "worked", they were basically given an infinite line of credit courtesy of the taxpayers... of the money they did recieve, they have yet to pay most of it back, and even after the IPO, taxpayers are far from breaking even on bailing out GM..

    All of that of course ignores the point that GM should never have been bailed out to begin with..when companies cannot compete, they fail... that is how a free market is supposed to work.

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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Uhm.. of course the GM bailout "worked", they were basically given an infinite line of credit courtesy of the taxpayers... of the money they did recieve, they have yet to pay most of it back, and even after the IPO, taxpayers are far from breaking even on bailing out GM..

    All of that of course ignores the point that GM should never have been bailed out to begin with..when companies cannot compete, they fail... that is how a free market is supposed to work.
    In most cases free-market ideology works fine. When you have a collapse of the epic proportions that we faced, they are impractical. While they're a good philosophy, they are not absolute. Absolutes never work.
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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the opinion of the Nobel Prize winner in the field of economics means something to show you the possible Depression we faced as Obama entered office.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/op...05krugman.html

    The steps we took with the auto companies saved millions of jobs that could have well pushed us into the abyss.
    How about we look at Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman's opinions instead? In no way, shape, or form would he have favored a bailout such as this.

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    Re: What do you think of GM's "thank you" ad?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    In most cases free-market ideology works fine. When you have a collapse of the epic proportions that we faced, they are impractical. While they're a good philosophy, they are not absolute. Absolutes never work.
    Absolutes work, if you let them... just because you don't want to deal with the pain of a true recovery does not mean it was not the better option. It is a simple point...when companies cannot compete.. they need to fail... not get bailed.

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