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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Please note...... the Tea Party IS the Republican Party. People say the Tea Party won but I feel they are one in the same. Either way, YES of course they won.
    Err, no they aren't. The Tea Party is a faction within the Republican Party that is a combination of paleo-conservatives and libertarians. Moderate and neo-conservative Republicans aren't really a party of the Tea Party.
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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Err, no they aren't. The Tea Party is a faction within the Republican Party that is a combination of paleo-conservatives and libertarians. Moderate and neo-conservative Republicans aren't really a party of the Tea Party.
    My HARDCORE conservative friends at 1st were VERY put off about the Tea Party. They felt they were going to split the vote. Then 3 months ago they all changed their attitude and said the TP was GOOD for the Reps. They (and I) strongly feel that the TP was really another Chapter in which they would advocate Republicans to get elected.
    I strongly feel the TP was hijacked about a year and a half ago BY the Reps. I also feel Conservatives put HUGE money into the TP and Karl Rove among others had Glenn Beck and Palin "speak" for the TP in order to boost Republican votes in the Mid-terms.
    You can call a TP member a Tea Party candidate or a Republican but to me its one in the same.
    Either way you can NOT ignore that Republicans won the mid-terms with a huge help from the TP. I have 100% faith that a member of the TP would NEVER vote for a Democrat.
    It was a MASSIVE (and successful) move by the republicans..... PURE GENIUS if you ask me.... to encourage and fund the TP. I wish to heck I saved the things Ive read regarding the factual backing of the TP. I have also listened to Hannity almost every day..... Limbaugh every 3 days and various other conservative talkers now and again.... that embraced the TP. Sometimes it was direct. But 85% of the time it was in a very "marketable" way where they didnt DIRECTLY support them.
    I even spoke to the head of the Libertarian Party for the Chicago area and he said.... without even hesitating..... that the Republicans took over the TP over 1 year ago.

    To me the REAL TP was with Ron Paul.
    Anyhow, and bottom line..... it was marketing at its best. It was beautiful to see the slow transformation from the Ron Paul days to the Glenn Beck transformation.
    I was ACTUALLY....*GASP* part of the Tea Party when us Ron Paul supporters were together. Even after the election. I left after I saw the markings on the wall.
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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Hmmm...

    I was under the impression that the "Tea Party" (which in my understanding is not actually a political party as of yet, but rather a collection of more localized groups) was not directly part of the Republican Party - although it might be indirectly.

    But then, I never looked into the "Tea Party" in any great detail.
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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Err, no they aren't. The Tea Party is a faction within the Republican Party that is a combination of paleo-conservatives and libertarians. Moderate and neo-conservative Republicans aren't really a party of the Tea Party.
    So what you're saying is that being a faction within the Republican Party means you're not the Republican Party. Well, that makes sense. Do you think 'Moderate' and 'Neo-Conservative' Republicans weren't hoping the Tea Party Republicans would win? Seriously. You're splitting hairs. Show me what is even remotely ideologically different between 'Neo-Conservative Republicans' and 'Tea Partiers' and maybe you'd be somewhat right. The Tea Party is a marketing tool for people who don't want to be called Republicans even though they have the exact same possitions. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Did the Republicans win the midterms... "decisively"?

    Yes.
    No.

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    No. As polls show, the American public has the same contemptuous view of the Republicans as they have of the Democrats. Furthermore, the public has made it explicitly clear they want compromise, not the Republicans to enforce their agenda alone. Not to mention that the largest bloc of voters want more jobs, not deficit cutting.

    The Republicans did not "win" this election, the Democrats gave it to them. The Republicans did not provide actual solutions as their Pledge is incredibly fuzzy math that when calculated is impossible to meet their goals. Furthermore, the Republicans don't even have a cohesive overall strategy, claiming Obamcare will cut Medicare and then turning around to want to cut medicare themselves.

    In terms of numbers, yes the Republicans won. But in terms of ideology, public support and actual plans, they are just as lost, hopeless and flailing around without direction as the Democrats aside from blocking any bill that may help Obama despite the damage to America. Case in Point: Russian nuclear agreement.
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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Please note...... the Tea Party IS the Republican Party. People say the Tea Party won but I feel they are one in the same. Either way, YES of course they won.
    Please note that there is no Tea Party. It does not exist. There is no political party called the Tea Party.There is a tea party and there is a real difference between the two things.
    There is a Republican Party.
    There is a Democratic Party.
    There is a Libertarian Party.
    There is a Socialist Party.
    There is no Tea Party.
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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Did the Republicans win the midterms... "decisively"?

    Yes.
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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Did the Republicans win the midterms... "decisively"?
    Oh, look! It's Zimmer, the one-trick pony, digging up a discussion that trickled off 5 days ago in an effort to win by right of spam.

    Well, Zimmer, despite the fact that you utterly failed to actually address what I said 5 days ago and instead opted simply to repeat yourself over and over and over and over, I'll give you one more chance to redeem yourself. Please, if you can, address my argument definitively:


    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The two parties now posses almost perfectly split control of the first two estates. The Democrats, of course, still hold the Presidency (since Obama's not up for re-election yet) and a majority in the Senate -- one too small to steamroller a fillibuster. The Republicans hold a majority in the House, and enough Senators to put up a good fight.

    The President is free to sign or Veto as he pleases, since the Republicans couldn't possibly put together a 2/3 majority to override on any but the most urgent of legislative issues. The Republicans are free to pass whatever they like in the House. The battleground for the next two years will be the Senate.

    Literally nothing will be accomplished from this point forward except where the two major parties cooperate.

    That certainly is a victory for the party that was in the minority in both houses, but all that has been decided is that neither party has enough control to just do whatever the hell they want. That sounds like the opposite of decisive to me.

    It's even less decisive when you take into account the fact that the party in the White House typically loses a certain amount of influence (almost by default) in the mid-term elections.

    It's even less decisive than that when you take into account all of the bragging done about how the Republicans were going to seize both houses of Congress from the evil Democrats and set all the wrongs right.

    They took a perfect storm and used it to coast in like a lazy boy on a bike, rather than marching in like gangbusters.

    If that's decisive in your book, then be sure to say "hi" to Rush for me at the next circle-jerk.
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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please note that there is no Tea Party. It does not exist. There is no political party called the Tea Party.There is a tea party and there is a real difference between the two things.
    There is a Republican Party.
    There is a Democratic Party.
    There is a Libertarian Party.
    There is a Socialist Party.
    There is no Tea Party.
    Is that a fact?
    Or, define party.

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    Re: Did the Republicans win the midterms...

    Yes it is a fact.

    Can you name me one state where there was an organized political party with its own candidates running under the label of the Tea Party on the ballot?
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