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    Would you vote for the compromise?

    Please read this entire post before voting in the poll. If you vote before reading the entire post, know that you are an idiot.

    Turtledude thinks that you shouldn't be allowed to vote if you are not a net taxpayer (in other words, someone who pays more in taxes than they get back when they file their returns). He doesn't think it's fair that those who are not net taxpayers are permitted to vote for the politician who promises them the most goodies, since they're not feeling the bite of paying the taxes that fund those goodies.

    I completely disagree with his position, but this got me to thinking. What if someone were to propose the following compromise:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Compromise
    On election day, officials at each polling place separate out the net taxpayers. Those individuals would be permitted to use the voting machines as usual. Everybody else would be lined up, then counted off in groups of 5 people. Each group would be handed a paper ballot and given time to discuss amongst themselves how they would like to cast their ballot. When they reach some kind of agreement, each group would then fill out their ballots, casting a total of 3 votes in each race, after which they all sign the ballot and turn it in to be counted.

    If you don't like paper ballots, that's fine, I'm sure an election machine could be set up to help automate and standardize the casting of these specialized ballots.


    And now, the question I put to all of you!

    If you were given the choice between voting FOR this compromise, or voting AGAINST this compromise, which would you choose?

    This is a simple yes/no, with the obligatory nonsense option. You can explain your vote after you cast it, but this thread is not for the discussion of any option other than the compromise as described above.
    Last edited by TacticalEvilDan; 11-25-10 at 01:49 PM.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Totally against. There's no way I'm ever going to agree that my privileged social status gives me the right to take someone else's rights away. I don't care if I pay more taxes than they do, I don't even care if they pay no taxes at all. I will never support the removal of the basic principle of one citizen/one vote regardless of gender, wealth, education, social class, race, sexual orientation, disability, employment or any other modifier. Every natural born or naturalized citizen has the right to participate in the political life of the country they live in. Governments make decisions about non-budget related things all the freaking time and there is no logical reason, other than a fascist mindset, to try and remove my neighbor's right to vote on any issue just because his income is too low to be taxed.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    That would be, if it were ever actually proposed, quite possibly the dumbest 'compromise' in the history of history.

    One person, one vote. Not one tax paying person, one vote.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    So...... again if you have money, your vote counts according to Turtle. That is what the founding Fathers DIDNT want!!!!!! Where is Turtle so I can smack em????
    And NO! This whole idea discussed in this poll is assinine.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Equating paying taxes with the right to vote..... I think we passed a Constitutional Amendment in 1964 which spoke to this type of thinking. One person = one vote.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Equating paying taxes with the right to vote..... I think we passed a Constitutional Amendment in 1964 which spoke to this type of thinking. One person = one vote.
    That doesnt include minorities and women DOES it????
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Equating paying taxes with the right to vote..... I think we passed a Constitutional Amendment in 1964 which spoke to this type of thinking. One person = one vote.
    I realize that. Assume for the sake of argument that the process you'd be casting a ballot in would supersede that.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Everyone should have one vote.
    Everyone should have a horse in the race. By that I mean, that when taxes go up, everyone's taxes go up. Someone should not be able to vote for higher taxes for someone else but not themselves.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Please read this entire post before voting in the poll. If you vote before reading the entire post, know that you are an idiot.

    Turtledude thinks that you shouldn't be allowed to vote if you are not a net taxpayer (in other words, someone who pays more in taxes than they get back when they file their returns). He doesn't think it's fair that those who are not net taxpayers are permitted to vote for the politician who promises them the most goodies, since they're not feeling the bite of paying the taxes that fund those goodies.

    I completely disagree with his position, but this got me to thinking. What if someone were to propose the following compromise:





    And now, the question I put to all of you!

    If you were given the choice between voting FOR this compromise, or voting AGAINST this compromise, which would you choose?

    This is a simple yes/no, with the obligatory nonsense option. You can explain your vote after you cast it, but this thread is not for the discussion of any option other than the compromise as described above.
    Absolutely against.

    I know well TurtleDude's stances on such things. After all, he takes every opportunity to state it. And while he is against tax breaks for the poor, he has no problem with tax breaks for businesses and corporations. Likewise, he is not for limitations for no-bid contracts for government contractors. At least he wasn't the last time I addressed those issues with him.

    So while he is against the poor profiting off of social welfare, he seems not to be against businesses profiting off of corporate welfare. And until he campaigns as ardently against corporate welfare as he does against social welfare, I won't advocate any kind of compromise for his proposals.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Everyone should have one vote.
    Everyone should have a horse in the race. By that I mean, that when taxes go up, everyone's taxes go up. Someone should not be able to vote for higher taxes for someone else but not themselves.
    But citizens DO NOT vote for income tax hikes or decreases.

    I was wondering about the poll..... if the five people getting only three votes were African American would they get three-fifths of the 3/5's vote?

    Tactical - I am with you and understand that. No problem.
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