View Poll Results: How would you vote on the compromise as described in the OP?

Voters
58. You may not vote on this poll
  • For

    4 6.90%
  • Against

    50 86.21%
  • Rabbit

    4 6.90%
Page 6 of 41 FirstFirst ... 4567816 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 405

Thread: Would you vote for the compromise?

  1. #51
    Educator hallam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Philly
    Last Seen
    10-23-15 @ 09:44 AM
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    620

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Unlike mega, I actually voted for this compromise. Again, this is not a measure removing anyone who pays the lower tax rates. Nor within the compromise, as described, do the rich get more power. In fact, I would say that this compromise benefits the middle class the most.

    My rationale for voting yes is this. Those who do not functionally support our government should be limited in their voice in that government. Remember, a net taxpayer only has to put in more than they get out in direct deductions or credits. It is the same as our fighting motto during the Revolutionary War "no taxation without representation" only stated as "no representation without taxation." Mind you the all social groups could just as easily get enough tax breaks and deductions to remove them from the net taxpayer "bracket."

    I don't understand why we do allow those who do not pay for the government to get a voice. I have no problem with helping the poor or the needed and even lowering their tax brackets appropriately. If we are a government of the people, by the people, and for the people then I see no reason why taxation can't be a standard to use to define "of" and "by."

  2. #52
    Shankmasta Killa
    TacticalEvilDan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Western NY and Geneva, CH
    Last Seen
    08-30-15 @ 04:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,444

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    but lets-for the sake of argument-agree that we could find an objective way of determining a non-contributor-and why should that person have equal say to someone who is a major contributor-be it a medal of honor hero or the guy who discovered a cure for Polio or AIDS
    For starters:

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    the government has a record of sucking at the second thing (accurate measurement).
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

  3. #53
    Sage
    Lord Tammerlain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:55 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    10,432

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think the more accurate term is those were morally wrong. I don'[t think its a question of morality as to who has the franchise
    They were the norm when the US was founded, you suggested that only allowing property owners being the only ones to vote was american because it was the norm when the US was founded should be used as a basis for limiting the vote today. As for not being able to vote for the government that has authority to make laws over what you do, is certainly a moral issue. If you cant vote to prevent the government from locking you up or limiting your freedoms because you are Japanese, a woman, or Nigerian, it most certainly is a moral issue. Now if you want to limit the laws of the US government to apply only to those who pay taxes, and as such have the ability to vote then I would agree with you. But I doubt many people would like to see millions apon millions of Americans with immunity to US federal government laws
    Happy Hanukkah Cheerfull Kwanzaa
    Happy Christmas Merry New Year Festivus for the rest of us

  4. #54
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo

    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:55 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    152,651

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lets stop being evasive

    You know there are plenty of people who make no positive contributions to society-lets start with them.
    If we can't define or agree on terms, discussing this is pointless. You need to describe what you mean by positive contribution.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  5. #55
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,622

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    For starters:
    I guess you don't want to engage in a discussion based on the parameters I established



  6. #56
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,622

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If we can't define or agree on terms, discussing this is pointless. You need to describe what you mean by positive contribution.
    define it as you see fit and imagine someone who makes no positive contributions and compare them to those who (in your mind) do

    why should the former have the same say as the latter



  7. #57
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo

    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:55 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    152,651

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Unlike mega, I actually voted for this compromise. Again, this is not a measure removing anyone who pays the lower tax rates. Nor within the compromise, as described, do the rich get more power. In fact, I would say that this compromise benefits the middle class the most.

    My rationale for voting yes is this. Those who do not functionally support our government should be limited in their voice in that government. Remember, a net taxpayer only has to put in more than they get out in direct deductions or credits. It is the same as our fighting motto during the Revolutionary War "no taxation without representation" only stated as "no representation without taxation." Mind you the all social groups could just as easily get enough tax breaks and deductions to remove them from the net taxpayer "bracket."

    I don't understand why we do allow those who do not pay for the government to get a voice. I have no problem with helping the poor or the needed and even lowering their tax brackets appropriately. If we are a government of the people, by the people, and for the people then I see no reason why taxation can't be a standard to use to define "of" and "by."
    I'll challenge you to the same thing as I did turtle. Define "functionally support our governement"... and remember, taxes are not the only way people do that.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  8. #58
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,622

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'll challenge you to the same thing as I did turtle. Define "functionally support our governement"... and remember, taxes are not the only way people do that.
    do you think everyone who currently exists in America actually supports the goverment or society in a net positive fashion?



  9. #59
    Educator hallam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Philly
    Last Seen
    10-23-15 @ 09:44 AM
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    620

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'll challenge you to the same thing as I did turtle. Define "functionally support our governement"... and remember, taxes are not the only way people do that.
    Taxation is a reasonable interpretation of functional support of government

  10. #60
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,622

    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Taxation is a reasonable interpretation of functional support of government
    however i would note that a disabled combat veteran or fire fighter who may no longer be able to work has paid in full



Page 6 of 41 FirstFirst ... 4567816 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •