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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you do know that the when the nation was founded only male landed property owners could vote.

    so how is it unamerican to limit voting to those who are net tax payers.

    I want to see a rational argument
    When the US was founded you could own slaves, rape your wife without being punished as well. Shall we consider those things to be American?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Absolutely. It was also American to keep slaves, deny the women the right to vote, employ children outside of family businesses, and expect laborers to endure dangerous conditions with little or no protection simply for the sake of having a job.



    Simple.

    As a nation, we've evolved.
    the claim that something is unamerican might have some emotional appeal but its often profoundly inaccurate.

    the only sound reason to allow basically everyone the right to vote is the harm that comes from invariably improperly drawing lines.

    its like the old saying, a democracy (a constitutional republic in reality) is the worst form of government save all the others that have been tried



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    When the US was founded you could own slaves, rape your wife without being punished as well. Shall we consider those things to be American?
    I think the more accurate term is those were morally wrong. I don'[t think its a question of morality as to who has the franchise



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    When the US was founded you could own slaves, rape your wife without being punished as well. Shall we consider those things to be American?
    OK give me a rational argument why people who make no real contribution to society should have equal say to those who do.



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the claim that something is unamerican might have some emotional appeal but its often profoundly inaccurate.

    the only sound reason to allow basically everyone the right to vote is the harm that comes from invariably improperly drawing lines.

    its like the old saying, a democracy (a constitutional republic in reality) is the worst form of government save all the others that have been tried
    What is or is not American depends on the time period in which we are talking. The tenets of a society tend to be fluid and progress as that society evolves. The only constant is change.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the claim that something is unamerican might have some emotional appeal but its often profoundly inaccurate.
    Sometimes it is, especially when it's some asshole politician using the term to make political hay, but sometimes something is genuinely unAmerican.

    Used genuinely, sometimes that term is used to describe the America we're striving for, and sometimes it's used to describe the America that the nation has evolved into.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OK give me a rational argument why people who make no real contribution to society should have equal say to those who do.
    Define contribution. Oh... and as a qualifier, paying taxes is NOT the only way one contributes to society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OK give me a rational argument why people who make no real contribution to society should have equal say to those who do.
    Well, first we'd have to agree on what "a real" contribution is, and then we'd have to figure out how to measure it.

    The nation has a record of sucking at the first thing (agreement), and the government has a record of sucking at the second thing (accurate measurement).
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Define contribution. Oh... and as a qualifier, paying taxes is NOT the only way one contributes to society.
    lets stop being evasive

    You know there are plenty of people who make no positive contributions to society-lets start with them.



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Well, first we'd have to agree on what "a real" contribution is, and then we'd have to figure out how to measure it.

    The nation has a record of sucking at the first thing (agreement), and the government has a record of sucking at the second thing (accurate measurement).
    that's true which is why I said the improper line drawing is the best argument in favor of no line drawing-sort of like its better to let 1000 murderers go free than to string up an innocent man

    but lets-for the sake of argument-agree that we could find an objective way of determining a non-contributor-and why should that person have equal say to someone who is a major contributor-be it a medal of honor hero or the guy who discovered a cure for Polio or AIDS



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