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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and people call Glenn Beck a conspiracy theorist.
    Even five years ago I would not have thought this possible. But here we are actually discussing this blatant political power grab scheme as if it had some intellectual merit.

    We are actually entertaining the idea that tens of millions of voters, most admittedly Democratic and minority, could be stripped of their Constitutional right to vote because they do not pay enough in some arbitrary tax. This is beyond anything I could have believed just a few years ago.

    Of course, that is before America elected who they elected and before the census tolled the death bell for certain power holders in this country. So now they must find a way and this apparently is it.

    So yes, I will believe almost anything coming from the right wing these days.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    This again is referencing the Amendment incorrectly with this conversation. The compromise does not place a tax onto voting. It simply states that you have to pay your regular taxes inorder to get a full vote.
    So if I do not pay a direct poll tax - I cannot vote.
    And If I do not pay enough income tax - I cannot vote.

    Both involve the paying of a tax. In both cases the end result is identical.

    Which is why the 24th Amendment specifies both the "poll tax" by specific name and then the broader term "other tax" which includes any other tax.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And If I do not pay enough income tax - I cannot vote.
    I would argue that if you do not pay ANY income tax - you should not vote. no need for any complex calculations or proratings. just a very simple rule. If you don't pay any income tax (ie you get back all of what was withheld, or you have zero withheld) you don't get to vote.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Which is still the same violation of the 24th Amendment which forbids connecting voting to any OTHER TAX.

    And it ignores what so very many people have said in this thread and others - lots of people pay lots of taxes other than your precious income tax.

    But by all means get this ball rolling - get publicly behind it with your party and lets see who salutes as it goes up the flag. You will have just written the Democratic party ads for the next ten years.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You will have just written the Democratic party ads for the next ten years.
    yeah, because most of the freeloaders who don't pay income tax vote for democrats. which is why most of them cry like little girls about how evil rich people are.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    It's a good thing that the conservatives in this thread that support this supposed "compromise" (and it's not even really a compromise..more of a blatant power grab) don't represent even 1% of the conservatives that are out there.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    lol, voted against of course. I would never agree to diminish my voting power or give up my vote just because I ended up unemployed or underemployed, nor would I allow the wealthy to explicitly have more than one vote just because their increased earning power. I don't give a damn for anyone's reasoning behind it, it isn't going to happen peacefully. Glad to see the vast majority here are sensible (at least on this issue).

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CompSciGuy View Post
    lol, voted against of course. I would never agree to diminish my voting power or give up my vote just because I ended up unemployed or underemployed, nor would I allow the wealthy to explicitly have more than one vote just because their increased earning power. I don't give a damn for anyone's reasoning behind it, it isn't going to happen peacefully. Glad to see the vast majority here are sensible (at least on this issue).
    do you think 10 people who pay no income tax should be able to vote away all of the wealth of one person who makes more than 100K



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you think 10 people who pay no income tax should be able to vote away all of the wealth of one person who makes more than 100K
    of course they do.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So if I do not pay a direct poll tax - I cannot vote.
    And If I do not pay enough income tax - I cannot vote.

    Both involve the paying of a tax. In both cases the end result is identical.

    Which is why the 24th Amendment specifies both the "poll tax" by specific name and then the broader term "other tax" which includes any other tax.
    These are not the same. One is outlawed, the other is not. The words "or other tax" directly relate to paying a tax for voting. It isn't the same at all. To think "or any other tax" is separated out form the phrases that come before it is wrong and an unsupported interpretation of the Amendment.

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