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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    can you show me where all adults irrespective of tax status can?
    Absolutely.

    Amendment 24

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I really am having a difficult time accepting that I am typing this to a rational adult.
    Funny...so am I with your comments

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    if you wanna live in a Robert Heinlein sci-fi universe - this ain't it.
    well, as i tried to point out to you, this is a theoretical exercise, not a political one.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Absolutely.

    Amendment 24

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
    exactly: no tax evaders. but (and this is important) the failure to apply for tax credits is hardly the same thing as failure to pay taxes.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Absolutely.

    Amendment 24

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    This again is referencing the Amendment incorrectly with this conversation. The compromise does not place a tax onto voting. It simply states that you have to pay your regular taxes inorder to get a full vote.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    This again is referencing the Amendment incorrectly with this conversation. The compromise does not place a tax onto voting. It simply states that you have to pay your regular taxes inorder to get a full vote.
    You are being intentionally obtuse.

    The 24th Amendment clearly states that there can be no restriction of voting by reason of failure to pay any tax. That does not just mean a tax for voting as a poll tax. It clearly specifies a poll tax or any other tax. The income tax is "any other tax".
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    well, as i tried to point out to you, this is a theoretical exercise, not a political one.
    No, its real all right. This is an attempt by the radical right wing to float an idea and see how far they can push it into reality. I am reminded of a recent exchange between Bill O'Riley and Sarah Palin in which she was asked if you can be too far right win and she replied NO.

    This is an attempt to run an idea up the flag pole to see who is saluting. And some here are saluting and the salute is vaguely familiar but has been banished from polite society for quite a while now.

    But like Palin says, you just can't be too far right wing.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I do not believe that for a minute. This is an attempt to set the stage - to see how far something can be pushed. This is running an extremist idea up the flag to see who will salute. And we see some hands raised and the salute is vaguely familiar but has not been seen in some time in polite company.
    and people call Glenn Beck a conspiracy theorist.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are being intentionally obtuse.

    The 24th Amendment clearly states that there can be no restriction of voting by reason of failure to pay and tax. That does not just mean a tax for voting as a poll tax. It clearly specifies a poll tax or any other tax. The income tax is "any other tax".
    That is clearly not what the 24th says. The amendment states that you can't directly tax voting. That is where it stops. It has no bearing on what we are talking about as the we are not taxing the vote. We are talking about restricting full voting rights to net taxpayers. It is a subtle but massive distinction.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    That is clearly not what the 24th says. The amendment states that you can't directly tax voting. That is where it stops. It has no bearing on what we are talking about as the we are not taxing the vote. We are talking about restricting full voting rights to net taxpayers. It is a subtle but massive distinction.
    Its interesting that you fail to quote the Amendment.

    It says quite clearly - ".... ANY POLL TAX OR ANY OTHER TAX."

    The phrase "any other tax" takes in every single tax you can think of and that includes the income tax. You are connecting the right to vote with the paying of the income tax. And that is clearly unconstitutional.

    But please put this before the American people as a proposal and put your name on it for all to see. It might be a crazy right wing idea but you know what Sarah says

    “Can you be too far right in this country?” asked O’Reilly.
    “At this point in time with the state of the union? No!” exclaimed Palin.
    You already have an ally.
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