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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How do you "restrict voting rights" of someone who does not have those same rights because they are not yet of age as an adult and the exercise of that right has been determined as a purely adult function?
    you could say the same thing about gay marriage. how can we be "restricting their rights" when they don't have that right yet? circular logic, you are chasing your tail
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How do you "restrict voting rights" of someone who does not have those same rights because they are not yet of age as an adult and the exercise of that right has been determined as a purely adult function?
    Because rights are given to all citizens, and then are restricted from there

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    which is what?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Because rights are given to all citizens, and then are restricted from there
    Try again. Voting rights were never given to children.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Try again. Voting rights were never given to children.
    You are right. They are given to citizens of which children are sizable population and then are restricted.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Try again. Voting rights were never given to children.
    they weren't originally given to women and blacks either. so, before the constitution was ammended...did blacks and women have the "right" to vote? if they did not...why was the contitution ammended to allow them to vote?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    You are right. They are given to citizens of which children are sizable population and then are restricted.
    Please cite in the US Constitution where voting rights were ever given to children and then restricted.

    You are simply talking nonsense. Voting is now and always has been in this nation an adult right. Show me in the Constitution where it says otherwise.

    tell you what, you two coordinate your line of reasoning here and come up with some better than what you have offered. I will be back in two hours time to see what you found.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please cite in the US Constitution where voting rights were ever given to children and then restricted.

    You are simply talking nonsense. Voting is now and always has been in this nation an adult right. Show me in the Constitution where it says otherwise.

    tell you what, you two coordinate your line of reasoning here and come up with some better than what you have offered. I will be back in two hours time to see what you found.
    We have no age limit on rights. It isn't the right to free speech after age 7. The second amendment doesn't have an age limit though we have placed restrictions on it. I might add that the amendment limiting the age of voting, the 26th, says
    The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
    It does not say the rights of adults. It says the rights of citizens of which children are a sizable population. You obviously need to go back and read your constitution.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You could not be more wrong. It is indeed a political exercise. Very very much so. This scheme has been floated for a few years now starting in very right wing conservative circles and is now being repeated and picking up some steam. This is very much setting the stage for such efforts in the near future. I have not one doubt about that at all.
    oh yeah, i almost forgot. the black helicopters and secret plans to enact our own Final Solution


    You'll never stop us, Mr Bond!!!!!!

    see.... first, we're going to circle an idea in conservative circles that we should find a way to get rid of that pesky 14th Amendment so people like Colonel Alan West are disenfranchised. then, we're going to coordinate these like-minded groups via commands dispersed down the chain of 33rd Degree Masons, in league with the giant lizard aliens pretending to be the British Royal Family and the CIA (which, magically, for the purposes of this exercise, will become competent at this sort of thing). Then, we're going to set the capitol building on fire and blame it on non-net-income-tax-payers (or the NNITP; we're thinking about using "nitpees" as a derogatory term for the dehumanization process, but our acronyms we admit are still in the planning phase); which will allow us to politicize the IRS in order to keep track of these dangerous elements. After that, it's only a few short steps until we are able to round them into camps, after splitting them by ethnicity via the process of having them take the ACT (it's racist, you know), and have them reeducated.....

    but FIRST, FIRST we're going to post the entire plan on a relatively obscure political debate forum, in order to give the hero and his sidekick the necessary one-in-a-million chance..... muahahahahaHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    AND NOW...

    Begin The Unnecessarily Slow Moving Device!!!!!!
    Last edited by cpwill; 12-01-10 at 02:49 PM.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    from cpwill

    oh yeah, i almost forgot. the black helicopters and secret plans to enact our own Final Solution
    Does mockery negate that we are seeing this idea actually proposed?
    Does mockery negate that this is a blatant scheme to disenfranchise tens of millions?
    Does mockery negate the desire to classify some citizens as less worth of the right to vote than others?
    Does mockery negate the desire to categorize some citizens as having to earn the rights that have been simply a matter of course for most of our history?

    If so sir, you win the prize.
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