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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I am going to pick my second option since this is a very simple concept. Let me explain it to you. Children are citizens. We restrict childrens right to vote. Therefore the one man one vote rule is not consistent with current voting rules as children are not allowed to vote and are citizens.
    And let me explain this to you one more time. Voting is a right of adults. Not children because they are not adults.

    And again, if the Supreme Court says that one man one vote is a guiding principle that they follow in determining the interpretation of the laws of the land and the Constitution, then that is what it is.

    You can live in some alternate reality of your own making in which you reject the word of the Supreme Court. The rest of the nation lives with it.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I am going to pick my second option since this is a very simple concept. Let me explain it to you. Children are citizens. We restrict childrens right to vote. Therefore the one man one vote rule is not consistent with current voting rules as children are not allowed to vote and are citizens.
    funny how children, who are citizens, are not allowed to vote, but in many places illegal aliens, who are not citizens, are.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I couldn't care less about the racial makeup of the the voters who would choose not to vote. that being said, no, this is a theoretical exercise, not a political one. there is no public push (yet) to reform the decision making process. i look at this debate similar to how i look at the Fairtax; sure it would be great to switch the whole system out and replace it; but it's not politically plausible. better, then, to focus energies on achieving those reforms that are possible; such as lower and flatter income tax rates and lower spending.
    You could not be more wrong. It is indeed a political exercise. Very very much so. This scheme has been floated for a few years now starting in very right wing conservative circles and is now being repeated and picking up some steam. This is very much setting the stage for such efforts in the near future. I have not one doubt about that at all.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And let me explain this to you one more time. Voting is a right of adults. Not children because they are not adults.

    And again, if the Supreme Court says that one man one vote is a guiding principle that they follow in determining the interpretation of the laws of the land and the Constitution, then that is what it is.

    You can live in some alternate reality of your own making in which you reject the word of the Supreme Court. The rest of the nation lives with it.
    Adults or not, children are still citizens of this country. So you can think this is an excuse all you want. All that this is a restriction on voting rights.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    funny how children, who are citizens, are not allowed to vote, but in many places illegal aliens, who are not citizens, are.
    And your objective authoritative evidence for this allegation please?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And again, if the Supreme Court says that one man one vote is a guiding principle that they follow in determining the interpretation of the laws of the land and the Constitution, then that is what it is.
    ah, it is because they say it is. never mind that one man one vote is a total lie since convicted felons are men and they are not allowed to vote.

    The basic premise is still correct. We can and have restricted the right of citizens to vote in the past, why can't we do it now or in the future?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And your objective authoritative evidence for this allegation please?
    ladies and gentlemen...I give you the state of california
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Adults or not, children are still citizens of this country. So you can think this is an excuse all you want. All that this is a restriction on voting rights.
    How do you "restrict voting rights" of someone who does not have those same rights because they are not yet of age as an adult and the exercise of that right has been determined as a purely adult function?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    ladies and gentlemen...I give you the state of california
    It seems you left out the actual evidence part.

    from Oscar on the Supreme Courts one man one vote guiding principle.

    Ah, it is because they say it is.
    That is the way it works in this country. Get used to it... or not, its up to you. But that is the way it is,
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It seems you left out the actual evidence part.
    It seems you still haven't answered my question.
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