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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    So either you have to believe that children and felons are not citizens or you have no idea what you are talking about.
    Are you operating under the delusion that if you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again that it gains in value or suddenly becomes worthwhile when it was not before?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes, except when limited by the Constitution. For example, the Women's Voting Amendment to the Constitution means that a state cannot pass a law that takes away women's right to vote.
    Or if they violate any other part of the Constitution. Which this scheme clearly would.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sure you did. Right here in post #317.



    I was happy to inform you of why that situation exists.

    If you could define both the term "fair" and "morally correct" for me I will give it some thought.

    pointless, you'd just continue to duck and dive. you know what I meant, just don't have the intestinal fortitude to give an honest answer.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Or if they violate any other part of the Constitution. Which this scheme clearly would.
    not if we ammended the constitution

    we ammended the constitution to prevent people from owning slaves. we could ammend the constitution to prevent dirtbags and bums from voting
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    pointless, you'd just continue to duck and dive. you know what I meant, just don't have the intestinal fortitude to give an honest answer.
    How can I "know what you meant" if you do not clearly ask it in the first place. I read what you write, conclude that you are a reasonably intelligent person, and give you the answer you asked for. And now that is my fault for doing so? Amazing.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    not if we ammended the constitution
    By all means please go forth and attempt that. Announce that the conservatives in America, the Republican Party, or whoever is behind this wants to go forth and disenfranchise tens of millions of voters, most of whom now vote Democratic, disproportionate numbers who are African American and Hispanic, announce your plan and go forth with it .
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Or if they violate any other part of the Constitution. Which this scheme clearly would.
    perhaps you could direct me to the particular article you are referring to? i cant seem to find it....

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you operating under the delusion that if you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again that it gains in value or suddenly becomes worthwhile when it was not before?
    I am going to pick my second option since this is a very simple concept. Let me explain it to you. Children are citizens. We restrict childrens right to vote. Therefore the one man one vote rule is not consistent with current voting rules as children are not allowed to vote and are citizens.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How can I "know what you meant" if you do not clearly ask it in the first place. I read what you write, conclude that you are a reasonably intelligent person, and give you the answer you asked for. And now that is my fault for doing so? Amazing.
    still dodging the question. how about answering it instead.

    what logical reason, (other than "because the system says so") is there for allowing a worthless bum to vote while not allowing a kid who is working a full time job to support his family to vote?

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    what makes the arbitrary age of 18 a better determiner of fitness to vote than a persons contribution to the system?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    By all means please go forth and attempt that. Announce that the conservatives in America, the Republican Party, or whoever is behind this wants to go forth and disenfranchise tens of millions of voters, most of whom now vote Democratic, disproportionate numbers who are African American and Hispanic, announce your plan and go forth with it .
    I couldn't care less about the racial makeup of the the voters who would choose not to vote. that being said, no, this is a theoretical exercise, not a political one. there is no public push (yet) to reform the decision making process. i look at this debate similar to how i look at the Fairtax; sure it would be great to switch the whole system out and replace it; but it's not politically plausible. better, then, to focus energies on achieving those reforms that are possible; such as lower and flatter income tax rates and lower spending.

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