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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so, by your own logic, if we as a people in a nation operating as a democratic republic decided that you had to earn the right to vote by paying taxes or serving in the military or some other means you would support that decision.

    thanks for clearing that up... the people have spoken.


    funny how that arguement didn't hold any water when the people of Califiornia voted against gay marriage.
    You seem to be confusing my "logic" as you call it with the way that the government of the USA operates.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to be confusing my "logic" as you call it with the way that the government of the USA operates.
    in other words, you think the system should only be applied to situations you agree with.

    the people in CA voted. should gays just throw up their hands and say "that's the way the system works"

    funny that you care more about the rights of some dirtbag than you do a productive member of society, simply because the current system says you should.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What you are attempting to do is to take something which is not part of the equation in any way, shape or form - children - and use it to validate your idea that we can restrict the right to vote in adults. Sorry, it does not make sense in any way since voting is an adult function in our society.

    Again, you fail to understand the difference between your opinion and the opinion of the Supreme Court of the USA. Your opinion is only your opinion and no force of law on anyone in any way in any shape or form. The Supreme Court issues an opinion and it has the force of law behind it. You can talk with all the cerebral brain power you can muster and you might be a genius but the opinion that results is still impotent and worthless as far as making it more than just your opinion. And if your comparison is correct, and the SC is indeed talking of of their asses, the product which comes out has the force of law upon the nation.

    In other words - and let me say this both as bluntly and as politely as possible: on the subject of one person one vote and the rights of American citizens to vote in this country- your opinion compared to the opinion of the Supreme Court means nothing.
    You still seem to think this is my opinion. SCOTUS acknowledges that there are restrictions because they have not invalidated them yet. So my "opinion" is just reality.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    in other words, you think the system should only be applied to situations you agree with.
    where did I say that? You asked a question as to why voting was the way it was and I explained it to you.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    You still seem to think this is my opinion. SCOTUS acknowledges that there are restrictions because they have not invalidated them yet. So my "opinion" is just reality.
    and what is the "opinion" you cling to? That children cannot partake in an adult function? That states have the right to bar convicted felons from voting? If that is your opinion that indeed is reality.

    If it is further your "opinion" that those two things are somehow connected or can be used as justification in a blatant politically inspired scheme to disenfranchise tens of millions of people from voting, that is not reality, it is fantasy.

    But by all means, go full throttle and pursue your "reality". Announce your intention to pass a Constitutional Amendment doing just what you fantasize about. Convince the legislatures of 3/4 of our states that you have a good idea because we already don't let babies vote so it must be all right. Come back from time to time with an update on your progress. That is some reality I would be interested in.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    where did I say that? You asked a question as to why voting was the way it was and I explained it to you.
    duh, no I did not. I didn't ask how voting worked, I asked if it was right.

    you are avoiding the question. I don't give a **** about how the system works...is it fair/morally correct that a bum gets to vote and a 17 y/o kid who has volunteered to serve his country doesn't?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and what is the "opinion" you cling to? That children cannot partake in an adult function? That states have the right to bar convicted felons from voting? If that is your opinion that indeed is reality.

    If it is further your "opinion" that those two things are somehow connected or can be used as justification in a blatant politically inspired scheme to disenfranchise tens of millions of people from voting, that is not reality, it is fantasy.

    But by all means, go full throttle and pursue your "reality". Announce your intention to pass a Constitutional Amendment doing just what you fantasize about. Convince the legislatures of 3/4 of our states that you have a good idea because we already don't let babies vote so it must be all right. Come back from time to time with an update on your progress. That is some reality I would be interested in.
    So either you have to believe that children and felons are not citizens or you have no idea what you are talking about.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    aren't states actually given the right to determine voting qualifications?

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    duh, no I did not. I didn't ask how voting worked, I asked if it was right.

    you are avoiding the question. I don't give a **** about how the system works...is it fair/morally correct that a bum gets to vote and a 17 y/o kid who has volunteered to serve his country doesn't?
    Sure you did. Right here in post #317.

    here's a question for you one man/one vote people

    why does some dirtbag welfare bum deserve the "right" to vote but a 17 year old kid who is working a full time job to help support his/her family does not?

    why does willy the wino get the right to vote but 17 y/o PFC Joe Snuffy fighting in Afghanistan doesn't?
    I was happy to inform you of why that situation exists.

    If you could define both the term "fair" and "morally correct" for me I will give it some thought.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    aren't states actually given the right to determine voting qualifications?
    Yes, except when limited by the Constitution. For example, the Women's Voting Amendment to the Constitution means that a state cannot pass a law that takes away women's right to vote.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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