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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Children and felons do not have the right to vote so SCOTUS can disagree with me all they want. The reality is that one man-one vote doesn't currently exist.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    There is no discrimination against children as the vote is something that has always been set aside in our nation for adults. For you to keep bringing up that point is simply silly and pointless. As for felons, some states make the determination that when a person is convicted in a court of law of committing a serious crime against their fellow citizens , they forfeit the vote. Personally, I believe that once you pay your debt to society, you should be able to vote again. But that is neither here not there. The fact is that the people you want to disenfranchise have not been convicted of anything or committed any crime or offense against the people of this land. They are good and decent people who are members of their community but you simply want to stack the deck in favor of the Republicans so you support this bogus idea to strip the franchise from tens of millions of decent citizens.

    But since you support this, lets see how it would work. Please answer these questions bout the scheme you support

    Just what it is the exact definition of a "net taxpayer"?
    How is it measured?
    When is it measured?
    For what period of time are we measuring?
    Which taxes are we considering and why?
    Which taxes are we not considering and why not?
    Are all levels of government considered?
    Can you bounce back and forth between classifications of being a "net taxpayer" and not being one?
    How often can you bounce back and forth?
    Who will make this determination?
    Is there an appeals process?
    Is it regularly reviewed?
    Is it a violation of the equal protections clause of the 14th Amendment?
    Is it a violation of the 24th Amendment?
    How many people would be stripped of the right to vote at any given time?
    Could they still vote in purely local elections?
    How would you manage such a system?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    if you get more $$$ in govt entitlements than you pay in taxes you shouldn't get to vote. voting should be earned, not a "right" given. maybe if more people actually had to earn the right to vote, they'd take it more seriously.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if you get more $$$ in govt entitlements than you pay in taxes you shouldn't get to vote. voting should be earned, not a "right" given. maybe if more people actually had to earn the right to vote, they'd take it more seriously.



    The one who is unwilling to work shall not vote
    As far as your quote from the Bible, the last time I looked, the USA was not governed by any sort of religious law. I think some state out West passed a law recently to make sure that would not happen.

    But since you support this idea Oscar, can you tell me just how this would work?

    Just what it is the exact definition of a "net taxpayer"?
    How is it measured?
    When is it measured?
    For what period of time are we measuring?
    Which taxes are we considering and why?
    Which taxes are we not considering and why not?
    Are all levels of government considered?
    Can you bounce back and forth between classifications of being a "net taxpayer" and not being one?
    How often can you bounce back and forth?
    Who will make this determination?
    Is there an appeals process?
    Is it regularly reviewed?
    Is it a violation of the equal protections clause of the 14th Amendment?
    Is it a violation of the 24th Amendment?
    How many people would be stripped of the right to vote at any given time?
    Could they still vote in purely local elections?
    How would you manage such a system?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if you get more $$$ in govt entitlements than you pay in taxes you shouldn't get to vote. voting should be earned, not a "right" given. maybe if more people actually had to earn the right to vote, they'd take it more seriously.



    Ah -- so you want to create a truly enormous government bureaucracy to keep track of people's lives in such a way as to calculate their sales tax, gas tax, excise tax, payroll taxes and myriad other taxes and then compare such to the benefits they receive via "entitlements".

    That would sure put millions to work!
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if you get more $$$ in govt entitlements than you pay in taxes you shouldn't get to vote. voting should be earned, not a "right" given. maybe if more people actually had to earn the right to vote, they'd take it more seriously.



    The one who is unwilling to work shall not vote
    Well in that case then why not expand upon that? Maybe people should "earn" the right to speak their opinions? Or maybe people should earn the right to speak on anything religion, after all if you don't study the bible in depth then you don't know anything about it right? Maybe people should earn the right to own guns also. Maybe people should earn the right to privacy also.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    So it looks like that the main disagreement in this thread is what people see as what constitutions a contribution to society. I think this is an honest disagreement and no purpose is being service by calling those who disagree dishonest.

    Personally, I see voting as a fundamental human right for any country with democratic institutions. So there is no reason to even bring up contribution (no matter what a person thinks the contribution is). This is something that should automatically be given to all adults and I don't even think felons should lose it, but I can see where the case can be made to since they lose other rights.

    While this is not detailed in the constitution or what the founding fathers envisioned, I am not of the opinion that they got everything right or that their views are really that important any more as society has progressed since the founding.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Well in that case then why not expand upon that? Maybe people should "earn" the right to speak their opinions? Or maybe people should earn the right to speak on anything religion, after all if you don't study the bible in depth then you don't know anything about it right? Maybe people should earn the right to own guns also. Maybe people should earn the right to privacy also.

    You take away one right then you open the door to take other rights away.
    and when everything is a "right", none of your rights are worth a damn.

    people shouldn't have to earn the right to express their opinion, but just like on boards such as this, they should have to earn the right for others to take their opinion seriously

    people already have to earn the right to own guns, that's why they require waiting periods and background checks
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As far as your quote from the Bible, the last time I looked, the USA was not governed by any sort of religious law.
    and the last time I recited it, the Pledge of Allegiance said "one nation under God"

    But since you support this idea Oscar, can you tell me just how this would work?
    never said I support "this idea" I just don't think someone who is a freeloader should get to help determine how much everyone else has to pay to support their freeloading.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and the last time I recited it, the Pledge of Allegiance said "one nation under God"



    never said I support "this idea" I just don't think someone who is a freeloader should get to help determine how much everyone else has to pay to support their freeloading.
    The Pledge of Allegiance?!?!?! You mean that socialist piece of statism?!?!?!?!?

    btw - the "under God" part was added a half century after it was written.
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