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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    exactly my point-since many liberals oppose this THEN I suggested that only net tax payers be able to vote. I wonder why the left has such a hard time with flat taxes or a NST or consumption tax. Because their masters cannot buy the votes of people likey Haymarket etc by promising the dem masses more and more goodies paid for by tax hikes on "The rich"
    I'm poor, but I am by no means a dem. I think both dems and rep should be booted out and more independents should be brought in. And by indepenent I'm talking about people that are not affiliated with ANY party and will tell them both like it is. So sorry but poor people do not always vote dem.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You are being dishonest too because you have seen most of what I have written on this.
    I have seen most of what you have written on this. Turtle, I will tell you what I tell everyone. PRESENTATION IS EVERYTHING. Here... get this... I AGREE with you on taxes. I think that this country SHOULD have a flat tax rate for everyone. Eliminate the loopholes, the tax shelters, everything. One percentage for everyone. Guess what? You are correct, those who make more money WILL end up paying more anyways. When you consider government assistance programs in place, I do not believe that those who are disadvantaged, economically, will be hurt by this. And, if you eliminate all loopholes for everyone, the wealthy and corporations will actually end up paying what they should.

    See? I agree with you. My problem always is your presentation. It is absurd and extremist. It is ridiculous to even suggest that ANY segment of the US be disenfranchised. Yet you keep spouting this stupidity. Whether you actually believe it... which would be a scary thought, or whether you are doing it for effect, doesn't matter. When you do it, you make folks like me, those who agree with you but don't hold extreme views, look at your ENTIRE position and say, "that's idiotic... I would never go along with that," ignoring any value that it might have. This is why I rail on you so much. Your positions are usually pretty good. Your presentation is usually completely absurd.

    A person can have the most brilliant idea, ever, but if that idea is presented in an absurd, idiotic fashion, no one will care or even listen. Sometimes, these absurd presentations will push those who are moderate or NOT extreme, the other way. I'll just keep pointing this out.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    exactly my point-since many liberals oppose this THEN I suggested that only net tax payers be able to vote. I wonder why the left has such a hard time with flat taxes or a NST or consumption tax. Because their masters cannot buy the votes of people likey Haymarket etc by promising the dem masses more and more goodies paid for by tax hikes on "The rich"
    This is precisely what I mean in my previous post. You start off fine... and then you digress into absurdity. Maybe you do it to make it a point. The only point you are making, though, is that what you are saying is absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is precisely what I mean in my previous post. You start off fine... and then you digress into absurdity. Maybe you do it to make it a point. The only point you are making, though, is that what you are saying is absurd.
    this is a frigging chat board dude

    you take this place WAY too seriously



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Everyone should have one vote.
    Everyone should have a horse in the race. By that I mean, that when taxes go up, everyone's taxes go up. Someone should not be able to vote for higher taxes for someone else but not themselves.
    In federal elections we vote for representatives not initiatives, we are a constitutional limited democratically elected republic. We vote for people, not taxes or any other laws.


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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    this is a frigging chat board dude

    you take this place WAY too seriously
    This is a debate site. Isn't that what we're doing?

    And I never do anything half-assed. What would be the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is a debate site. Isn't that what we're doing?
    1) nothing you say here is going to have any real impact on the real world

    2) same with me



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) nothing you say here is going to have any real impact on the real world

    2) same with me
    I don't agree. What we say here can have an impact on other individuals. THAT, in turn can have an impact on things in a larger sense. You do know that my position on gun control has made a complete 180 since coming to DP... and you are probably the biggest reason. Don't underestimate the power of the pen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) nothing you say here is going to have any real impact on the real world
    Maybe, maybe not. I was once a part of a space forum where some of the ideas that were stated were actually looked at by NASA. So you never know what effect a forum is going to have.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I don't agree. What we say here can have an impact on other individuals. THAT, in turn can have an impact on things in a larger sense. You do know that my position on gun control has made a complete 180 since coming to DP... and you are probably the biggest reason. Don't underestimate the power of the pen.
    An excellent example of this would be the news papers and media.
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