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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so its blacks and hispanics who violate our borders and immigration laws the most. that sounds like a RACIST claim to me.

    I have done more than a few immigration cases-in front of two different federal circuits and it was ASIANs facing deportation in almost every case I handled.
    well, we know from his stance on tax policy that he actually hates asians. could it be that he is using "blacks and hispanics" as code-words for "asians"?

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Folks who are arguing for the compromise are arguing from a position of a false premise. Their premise is that the only way to contribute to society is to pay taxes.
    with respect, that's not the premise at all; the center of the argument is (to simplify it) that with power, comes responsibility. if you are going to be making decisions about what the government shall do with the rest of us (and indeed, given our position, much of the world); then the consequences (for good or ill) should fall on you as well. if you want to have an expansive welfare state, fine, but you should be required to help pay for it if you are going to force others to do so as well. creating incentives for Americans to use the vote as a means to get free stuff from others using the coercive power of the state is bad for stability, bad for our economy, bad for democracy, and simple bad governance. so let us realign the incentive structure that surrounds the vote to give everyone who exercises it "skin in the game" as far as producing good governance at the cheapest price is concerned.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

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    Everyone gets a voice, everyone gets a chance to have a say in how their government is shaped.
    felons? children? non-citizens?

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    felons? children? non-citizens?
    No, No , No. Every adult citizen who isn't a felon. Just like it is now.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

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    No, No , No. Every adult citizen who isn't a felon. Just like it is now.
    Did you know that Professor Pamela Karlan-a brilliant far left activist started an effort backed by the DNC and the NAACP to give felons their rights to vote back. at the "Taft Lecture" at the U of Cincinnati Law school several years ago she noted that if all the felons in Florida could have voted (and turned out at the rates other citizens did) Gore would have easily won BECAUSE ALMOST ALL FELONS VOTE DEM when they can.

    I (I attended College with Pam and knew her somewhat well-she was close friends and on some debate club with a roommate my Jr Year) asked her if she and the NAACP and DNC also supported allowing felons to have their second amendment rights restored after serving their time--I didn't get much of an answer on that one



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    I'm assuming alot of those felons are from urban area's, and most of them black, both high democratic voters so it's not a surprise it might have come out that way. But I think Gore won it anyway so

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

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    I'm assuming you missed this. Would you care to respond?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket
    It would proportionately impact those person in far greater percentages that it would White voters. That is the personification of a racist policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by rightinnyc
    Are you seriously arguing that any policy that would disproportionately impact minorities is a racist policy?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    nope.
    but this one is.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Did you know that Professor Pamela Karlan-a brilliant far left activist started an effort backed by the DNC and the NAACP to give felons their rights to vote back. at the "Taft Lecture" at the U of Cincinnati Law school several years ago she noted that if all the felons in Florida could have voted (and turned out at the rates other citizens did) Gore would have easily won BECAUSE ALMOST ALL FELONS VOTE DEM when they can.

    I (I attended College with Pam and knew her somewhat well-she was close friends and on some debate club with a roommate my Jr Year) asked her if she and the NAACP and DNC also supported allowing felons to have their second amendment rights restored after serving their time--I didn't get much of an answer on that one
    I personally believe that once you serve your time your debt to society is paid, your right to make a living shouldnt be hindered.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Everyone gets a voice, everyone gets a chance to have a say in how their government is shaped.
    Everyone does not get a voice now. We have completely arbitrary limits on voting already.

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