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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hey now....


    you know who else accused others of drama, turtle.......???



    that's right....

    Hitler......






    holy mackeral

    turtle Uber alles?



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well put your money where your mouth is then. You are one rich dude - or so you keep pounding your chest and telling anyone who will listen. Join in with your fellow rich buddies and begin a public campaign to put this scheme into effect. Try to change the Constitution to reflect your power grab desires.

    It would like Toto pulling back the curtain and showing the old feeble man for what he really is.

    Be my guest. Do it.
    we prefer running the world quietly

    my skull and bones brothers and I fly around in our black helicopters dropping in on the illuminati and the freemasons and then head off to the trilateral commission meetings.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what truth? you claimed that such a notion was unAmerican, and it was demonstrated to you how it was solidly within America's tradition and legal history. you claimed it was unConstitutional; and it was demonstrated to you how it was in fact solidly within the realm of the Constitution of these United States. you claimed that it was part of a secret right-wing fascist plot, only to be informed that fascist plots of the era you refernced were left-wing, to which you seem to have responded with an implicit claim of mind-reading abilities.

    i'd say you are pretty much 0-3 for this thread.
    Sorry CP but you apparently did not realize that such restrictions were changed in the first quarter of the 19th century. So now are you going to claim that slavery itself is Constitutonal and legal and American even though it has long been changed in that same Constitution?

    When we made those changes nearly 200 years ago, we changed t what was legal, and we changed what was acceptable in the American system.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry CP but you apparently did not realize that such restrictions were changed in the first quarter of the 19th century. So now are you going to claim that slavery itself is Constitutonal and legal and American even though it has long been changed in that same Constitution?
    strawman. there are several amendments that were bad ideas. Prohibition being the worst. the 16 and 17th amendments were bad ideas and there are more than a few people who want to revisit part of the 14th concerning anchor babies.

    slavery has nothing to do with it-save perhaps the concept of making people work for months to pay for the services others use



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    strawman. there are several amendments that were bad ideas. Prohibition being the worst. the 16 and 17th amendments were bad ideas and there are more than a few people who want to revisit part of the 14th concerning anchor babies.

    slavery has nothing to do with it-save perhaps the concept of making people work for months to pay for the services others use
    So if you believe that Turtle then put your money where your mouth is and do the same we did for Prohibition. Change the Constitution and get publicly behind the move with your money and your allies.

    Sure there are racists who want to change the 14th Amendment. So what?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So if you believe that Turtle then put your money where your mouth is and do the same we did for Prohibition. Change the Constitution and get publicly behind the move with your money and your allies.

    Sure there are racists who want to change the 14th Amendment. So what?
    so people are RACISTS for not wanting the children of illegals who come here in violation of our laws to be citizens?

    when liberals start using the term "racist" it pretty much means they are out of intelligent arguments.



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    holy mackeral

    turtle Uber alles?
    hmm... he's rich and he speaks German.....

    ...yup.... the dots are all connecting......

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry CP but you apparently did not realize that such restrictions were changed in the first quarter of the 19th century.
    absolutely they were (that's how we got that bastard Jackson, i mean, i love him, but wow, what a prick), but they were changed via statute at the state level; there were no Constitutional Amendments on the matter. so to pretend that limiting the franchise based on property is any more or less Constitutional than limiting it based on age or whether or not one is a felon is baseless.

    So now are you going to claim that slavery itself is Constitutonal and legal and American even though it has long been changed in that same Constitution?
    no, that one we did have an amendment on.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so people are RACISTS for not wanting the children of illegals who come here in violation of our laws to be citizens?

    when liberals start using the term "racist" it pretty much means they are out of intelligent arguments.
    Your plan is one of the most obvious racist schemes that anyone has come up with to disenfranchise massive numbers of African American and Hispanic voters. It would proportionately impact those person in far greater percentages that it would White voters. That is the personification of a racist policy. You and will are simply engaging in the right wing tactic to attack the use of the term to take it off the table so that their motives can be hidden and not exposed.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your plan is one of the most obvious racist schemes that anyone has come up with to disenfranchise massive numbers of African American and Hispanic voters. It would proportionately impact those person in far greater percentages that it would White voters. That is the personification of a racist policy. You and will are simply engaging in the right wing tactic to attack the use of the term to take it off the table so that their motives can be hidden and not exposed.



    well, turtle, i suppose he caught you. go tell the rest of your white supremacist giant-alien-lizard buddies that he gig is up


    haymarket, come on, you can't be that stupid. i'm going to give you a 'freebie' and pretend this post didn't happen

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