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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: So why do they have tax day and election day on different days of the year?
    the bit about coincidence was more of a throwaway line; but generally i would state that having these two dates on the opposite ends of the year serves to help seperate the effects of the second (in November) on the first (in April) in the people's minds. what we seek to do is to focus the minds of voters on the results of their decisions as they are making the most important one. in the market, this function is provided by cost; when you buy a television, you pay for it; money is taken from you. your mind is therefore focused on getting the best television possible for the least necessary cost. study after study demonstrates that when we purchase on debt (with plastic, or a payment plan), we tend to pay extra, and care less about getting the best item for the lowest cost. the market's relentless drive to improve is thus dulled. we should focus the American electorate on applying the same pressure to governance. by matching the date the bill is due with the date that the decision is made, we focus them on getting the best government possible for the least necessary cost.

    2: I'm assuming that the "franchise" you are talking about is voting?
    yup.

    Franchise Definition: 1. General: Right conferred or established by a government, such as the right to vote (exercise one's franchise) in a local or national election.

    What kind of choice is that? Either pay money or you can't vote?
    no, it's pay your taxes; or, if you don't wish to bear the responsibility that comes with power (which is what the vote is - power to determine the course of the most powerful nation upon the planet), do not.

    Sounds like the old days when the states wanted to put up tests in order to deny blacks the right to vote to me.
    then you need hearing aids. seriously, is the race card the best one you have to play here?

    Only instead of it being educational required tests it now relies on how much money one makes.
    actually no, it doesn't; one can make any amount of income under this plan, and simply choose to forgoe the deductions that would keep one from being a net tax payer. you could be 18, earn $2,000 at a summer job, pay your 10% income tax on it, send in a check for 200 bucks, and then go vote.

    3: Just because it is a federal holiday does not mean that a company has to let thier workers have the day off
    no, but that is the general movement. not a whole lot of companies work during Christmas except those that have to (Hospitals etc). ditto for thanksgiving, labor day, so on and so forth. irrespective, election day should be a federal holiday.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But it is not Constitutional. It is not legal. It is not American.
    the Founding Fathers, respectfully disagreed. they themselves generally imposed property and tax qualifications upon the franchise.

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Do those who support this stupid power grab realize that Turtle is intentionally redefining the very reality of what TAXES are in the first place and who pays TAXES in this country to justify what he wants to do? Wake up please. There are all kinds of taxes paid by almost everybody in this country. Get over yourself and your precious net taxpayer BS.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But it is not Constitutional. It is not legal. It is not American.

    And even then it is only "intelligent" if you define that word to mean taking away the right to vote from most of the people who vote for candidates you are ideologically opposed to so you can put your own right wing allies in charge.
    yes, yes and wrong. what is currently legal can change, the constitution changed to allow people to vote that the founders didn't want voting. But your claim its not American is a load of horsepoop. Its like claiming its not fair. its a term that has no merit



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the Founding Fathers, respectfully disagreed. they themselves generally imposed property and tax qualifications upon the franchise.
    Which was the product of an 18th century mindset. We corrected that in the first quarter of the 19th century. So it might be a good idea to at least get up to that point in time when you consider what is Constitutional, legal and American.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do those who support this stupid power grab realize that Turtle is intentionally redefining the very reality of what TAXES are in the first place and who pays TAXES in this country to justify what he wants to do? Wake up please. There are all kinds of taxes paid by almost everybody in this country. Get over yourself and your precious net taxpayer BS.

    OH the Drama
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yes, yes and wrong. what is currently legal can change, the constitution changed to allow people to vote that the founders didn't want voting. But your claim its not American is a load of horsepoop. Its like claiming its not fair. its a term that has no merit
    Well put your money where your mouth is then. You are one rich dude - or so you keep pounding your chest and telling anyone who will listen. Join in with your fellow rich buddies and begin a public campaign to put this scheme into effect. Try to change the Constitution to reflect your power grab desires.

    It would like Toto pulling back the curtain and showing the old feeble man for what he really is.

    Be my guest. Do it.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OH the Drama
    Oh the Truth.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OH the Drama
    hey now....


    you know who else accused others of drama, turtle.......???



    that's right....

    Hitler......







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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Oh the Truth.
    what truth? you claimed that such a notion was unAmerican, and it was demonstrated to you how it was solidly within America's tradition and legal history. you claimed it was unConstitutional; and it was demonstrated to you how it was in fact solidly within the realm of the Constitution of these United States. you claimed that it was part of a secret right-wing fascist plot, only to be informed that fascist plots of the era you refernced were left-wing, to which you seem to have responded with an implicit claim of mind-reading abilities.

    i'd say you are pretty much 0-3 for this thread.

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