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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    BTW turtle you are fogetting another group of people that has not been mentioned yet in this thread. Stay at home moms and dads. Why should thier right to vote be revoked just because they want to stay at home with thier kids and raise them while their spouse works?
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I am not taking their rights away. I am discussing enhancing the voice in the government to those who support that government. If they want to vote support the government, it is as easy as that. There is no abuse here. It is just a limitation on voting rights just like we currently do.
    Sounds like another way for the right to buy votes to me

    And another way to disclude the poor and try to strip them of their dignity.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Sounds like another way for the right to buy votes to me

    And another way to disclude the poor and try to strip them of their dignity.
    Stripping them of their vote does achieve the goal of more right wing election victories. Make no mistake - that is what this is about in the end.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You want to talk of responsibility and yet you want to strip people of the right to vote? Seriously?
    sure why not-if they are parasites why not?



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Stripping them of their vote does achieve the goal of more right wing election victories. Make no mistake - that is what this is about in the end.
    and allowing the non-taxpayers to vote after buying their vote with the money of taxpayers is how Dems gain wealth and power

    I am glad you concede that its net tax consumers who elect dems



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find it just as lame to suggest that people who don't contribute income taxes have say in income tax rates

    in either case its a question of responsibility
    Well lets just go about as lame as your suggestion and raise it to only those in politics have a right to vote!

    Or how about only those that work for the I.R.S. have a right to have any say in income tax rates
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    post #138:
    1. get rid of tax witholding and have tax day and election day on the same day. currently they are about as far apart in the year as they can get. this is not a coincidence.

    2. allow those who qualify not to be net taxpayers two options: 1. they can either take the tax code with all of the holes, and options, and end up getting back more than they paid in (in which case they forgoe the franchise for that year) OR 2. they can simply pay the percent of their income that they owe, with no deductions, and then go vote. That way, even the poor are offered the option to exercise the franchise, so long as they prove willing to bear the costs of governance along with everyone else.

    3. make this day a federal holiday so that the people can go about their business. it's already a shame that election day isn't; and surely tilts the scales away from those whose employment makes getting to the polls on time more difficult.

    taxation and voting are therefore linked; both of them a of the patriotic duty of those citizens who choose to take part in running this great nation. those who wish to avoid the responsibility that comes with power, are free to do so.
    Ok, lets go through this...

    1: So why do they have tax day and election day on different days of the year?

    2: I'm assuming that the "franchise" you are talking about is voting? What kind of choice is that? Either pay money or you can't vote? Sounds like the old days when the states wanted to put up tests in order to deny blacks the right to vote to me. Only instead of it being educational required tests it now relies on how much money one makes. (which since it takes education to get the jobs that make the money required to pass the requirement to vote it equals to the same thing).

    3: Just because it is a federal holiday does not mean that a company has to let thier workers have the day off. This would only constantly apply to those that work for the federal government, and they are the ones that normally make more than minimum wage.

    Sorry but your suggestion is no better than turtles.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We have fallen down the right wing rabbit hole and are fast approaching the bottom. And what is at the bottom for us? The Brave New World of folks like Turtle and Hallam where they intentionally come up with a fraudulent scheme to disenfranchise tens of millions of minority persons for the sole purpose of installing their own right wing allies in positions of political power.
    well i do think that forcing people to bear the consequences of their decisions causes them to become more conservative, that is correct. and i support measures that limit the franchise to those who A) seem best able to use it and B) have the actual courage of their convictions. if someone is willing to pay taxes in order to vote (see above) then i am right there with them.

    People who support this sort of extremism should go to the Holocaust Memorial in Washington DC. One of the first rooms there is an exhibit of far right propaganda which was designed to set the stage for what was to come later. Right wing propaganda designed to teach that there was a difference in some citizens and others who were less than full citizens.
    not to restart the whole 'fascism' debate; but you do realize that this was part of a Eugenics program, and objectively a left wing phenomena?

    That is what something like this scheme has as its motivation. Right wing extremists in this land have read the census projections and have read voting trends. They know that American is becoming less White and more minority. And what scares them to death is the knowledge that such persons tend to vote Democratic. So they are frightened that they will not be able to outvote their enemies in a decade or two. The answer to their problems - make sure they can't vote. Thus we get this inane net taxpayer bull and the idea that we are going to connect voting with paying of income taxes.
    really. and what were the American Citizens of 1812 scared to death of when they generally enforced similar provisions?





    drama, much, haymarket?

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well lets just go about as lame as your suggestion and raise it to only those in politics have a right to vote!

    Or how about only those that work for the I.R.S. have a right to have any say in income tax rates
    that's really stupid. but I think you know that.



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and allowing the non-taxpayers to vote after buying their vote with the money of taxpayers is how Dems gain wealth and power

    I am glad you concede that its net tax consumers who elect dems
    You are one obsessed dude. You get your butt kicked in this poll and you still cling to it like grim death.

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    drama, much, haymarket?
    Connect the dots and the picture is unmistakable. And it hardly qualifies as a comedy so dramatic it must be.... or a tragedy.

    I thank my lucky stars that we still have a US Constitution and the extreme right wingers still have that to contend with.
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