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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And that is the difference between a private club and being a citizen of the USA is it not

    You may not pay dues to the US government but you are subject to its rules and regulations.

    Yes that person can move to another country/club but so can the person who is paying dues/taxes
    fine limit the issue to tax matters



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    How about this idea. It would need a Constitutional Amendment to lock it in tight, but so would anything else if we wanted it to be a hard-wired fix:

    Freeze current tax rates exactly as they are. Require future tax rate changes to affect all brackets equally.

    So if you want to raise tax on the rich 5%, you have to raise tax on everyone 5%. If you want to lower tax on the rich 5%, you lower everyone's taxes 5%.

    Now we'd have to word it very carefully or some bright and unscrupulous politico would find a way around the restrictions, but then that's true of anything that might be proposed. One of the worries I have about consumption tax is that they'll do that and THEN bring income tax BACK a few years later.... probably as a "temporary measure that will only affect the top 2% earners"... seems we'd heard that before yes?
    actually you could limit it to the lowest bracket because that costs everyone mainly the same amount if its raised.

    I'd like to see alot more people paying some income taxes because right now not enough do but I give you credit for a very good effort



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The reason that your arguement about net tax paying citizens only being able to vote is flawed Turtle is because there are people out there that make minimum wage, work only part time hours and hence do not pay a net tax income. And yet those same people might be out helping to feed the homeless at shelters or being a Mentor at a school or something else like those. Why should they not get an equal say just because they don't give a net contribution in taxes?
    speculation--I suspect (and neither one of us can prove it) those who are paying taxes are usually the ones engaged in civic charity.



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    maybe you should actually try to state what I believe rather than making up idiotic straw man arguments to justify emotobabbling views. The worst I believe in is benign neglect--its people like you who believe in governments enslaving others or depriving people of their labor and wealth
    You are the one wanting to do the depriving people of things. Not me.
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    fine-maybe we could limit those who do not contribute in terms of taxes from having say on tax issues since you want to speculate so can we
    If those tax issues have an impact on them, we default to my original position.

    Btw, you do know I am in favor of a flat tax, don't you?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    You are the one wanting to do the depriving people of things. Not me.
    wrong-you want to take wealth from some and give it to others, I want to be left alone and not forced to pay at much higher rates than people like you. I want people to pay for what they use and not be forced to pay more and more and more for what others use.



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong-you want to take wealth from some and give it to others, I want to be left alone and not forced to pay at much higher rates than people like you. I want people to pay for what they use and not be forced to pay more and more and more for what others use.
    You wish to take away a persons right to VOTE!
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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If those tax issues have an impact on them, we default to my original position.

    Btw, you do know I am in favor of a flat tax, don't you?
    yeah you do favor a flat tax-you have some rational thoughts



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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Pot and kettle here. You do not get to define my argument either. You have already stated that taxation is a reasonable contribution. So address why this limit on voting is not reasonable. Quite BSing
    I'm not defining your argument. Your argument is a logical fallacy.

    Oh, and I already responded. If the results of taxation impact them, they must folllow the rules that have been set. It is appropriate for them to have a say in the rules that affect them. Or, do you believe that a citizen should NOT have a say in the rules and laws that affect them?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Would you vote for the compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    You wish to take away a persons right to VOTE!
    I actually prefer a system where all can vote and all have a duty to pay taxes. that's my preference

    its an easy choice-want to vote-pay some income taxes. you want to take away wealth and labor in order to give it to others who did nothing to earn it



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