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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The war was defined as being against terrorist organizations with a gloabl reach. You can certainly destroy organizations and kill their members.
    Yup. Exactly.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sure, but no one has ever seriously understood it to be a war on the feeling of terror.
    Not trying to be argumentative here, but feelings have nothing to do with terrorism. In this case, terrorism is a verb, an action designed to terrorize innocent people at any time for no reason. The hard wired human reaction is terror, unless one becomes numb to it, which isn't good either. The response tends to be motivated by that terror and unless caution is exercised, a whole lot of bad things happen which had nothing to do with the original problem. As we all have clearly seen and, hopefully, learned a few hard lessons. Imho.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If we're 'the ultimate creation' then God needs to find a new hobby!

    We wage wars - killing MILLIONS at a time, rape the earth and piss in each other's Wheaties (if we're not just taking the wheaties away) - and much of this was done IN the name of religion no less.

    He must be so proud. His little derelict troublemakers of the Universe. So impish and cruel - we're adorable and precious!

    Move over Rubicante! Man's a comin.
    Lmfao. Aren't we though? Just ask the special Jesus people. Lmao - Actually, the fact that some of us have turned in to spoiled rotten selfish little brats with fat bellies and fluffy pillows has nothing to do with The Spirit of The Universe, in my opinion. That whole free will thing always gets in the way, ya know? Oh well, we all got a path...
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I think we need to keep in mind here that the war on terror is an analogy and not a literal war. Like the war on crime and the war on drugs.
    Lol... And how are those workin' out for us, ya think? They are breaking the bank and wasting resources better used elsewhere.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Here's where I end up looking like my dog when he's trying to understand me and can't quite get there; head sideways and ears cocked, eager to understand yet totally lost. Where has this moral relativism come from with conservatives?

    "Well, they do it, so we can do it."

    NO no no no no!!!!! When one claims the standard of morality and decency in the world, as well as exceptionalism in all things (as our far right friends have), there is no relativism allowed. Period. There should be a rule.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The only people against you are the ones actually fighting you - most countries are Neutral when it comes to many issues that go on.
    to be neutral in this kind of endeavour is to serve as an enabler, and thus, not to be neutral. it's like saying i'm not supporting a criminal gang, i just let them use my house for their meetings and my cars to get to and from their heists.

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I think we need to keep in mind here that the war on terror is an analogy and not a literal war. Like the war on crime and the war on drugs.
    certainly it is ill-named, but that is by necessity. this is a 4Gen war against Islamist Fundamentalism.

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    to be neutral in this kind of endeavour is to serve as an enabler, and thus, not to be neutral. it's like saying i'm not supporting a criminal gang, i just let them use my house for their meetings and my cars to get to and from their heists.
    So because one big, wealthy country decides one day to wage war on a ghostly group (eventhough it's a legitimate country-concerned issue) means that everyone else has to throw their selves, citizens and resources into it headlong?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    certainly it is ill-named, but that is by necessity. this is a 4Gen war against Islamist Fundamentalism.
    Sure feels like a damn war to me.

    An actual declaration of war isn't necessarily for it to be a war-time effort.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So because one big, wealthy country decides one day to wage war on a ghostly group (eventhough it's a legitimate country-concerned issue) means that everyone else has to throw their selves, citizens and resources into it headlong?
    life isn't fair, eh?

    but remember, that wealthy country didn't decide to one day wage war on a ghostly group; a widespread and powerful ideology declared war on the existance of an entire culture. that's a key difference here; if we win, Islam still survives.

    Sure feels like a damn war to me.
    and to me. i often feel a coward that i left my old battalion when i reenlisted; they rotated back to afghanistan and have taken quite a few casualties since.

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    to be neutral in this kind of endeavour is to serve as an enabler, and thus, not to be neutral. it's like saying i'm not supporting a criminal gang, i just let them use my house for their meetings and my cars to get to and from their heists.
    Isn't that a prescription for perpetual war? This is the same "good and evil", "for us or against us" attitude that has caused so much needless death, economic hardship and bad decisions as a nation.

    It is a false choice.

    It is also another one of the standards the United States herself cannot live up to. Because quite frankly, the United States doesn't seem to mind terrorism a lick when they agree with the cause. We call those guys Freedom Fighters.
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