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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Yes
    Maybe I am still a Goldwater conservative, but, fool with me and my people and the consequences will be horrible...
    Its in man's history.
    The American natives took quite the hit, as have other people.
    Genocide, of course is not right, but...................

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    [QUOTE=Aunt Spiker;1059121169]And so Bush is the only one who's ever crossed the line?
    As far as I'm aware everyone IN CONGRESS crossed the line when they knew what was going on and they permitted it to happen, anyway.

    In order for it to be considered unconstitutional - it first must be declared as 'torture' by the Supreme Court. You can't just decide that "this is torture . . . that is not" because *you* feel that way. In order to punish someone there must be a defined law which is broken or a regulation which is determined to be violated.

    Bush wasn't some Monarch gone crazy like Vlad the Impaler. He wasn't the only say-so in this decision. Many had the knowledge and power to speak out against him or to try to stop his decisions from going through - and some did try - but many did not and no one actually took necessary steps to stop him.

    So instead of pointing fingers and crying for his blood perhaps you should actually hold EVERYONE accountable who is at fault for the wrongdoing. He is but one figure in the entire picture.
    And he's not the only president to ever cross the line with the support of Congress.[/QUOTE
    Supposedly Bush was the leader, and should set the example.
    He failed.

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    There is another poll up right now asking if "defense" justifies torture, and the absurdity of even asking the question has led me to ask an equally ridiculous, alternate-universe poll question: Does "defense" justify genocide? How about burning people at the stake? Surely if Jack Bauer had to, let's say, dismember and cannibalize some children on live TV in order to save America from a terrorist plot, that would be justifiable?

    The fact that anyone even considers it acceptable to treat the matter of torture as morally ambiguous is reprehensible - it is not ambiguous. Questioning something does not make it questionable; debating it does not make it debatable; arguing over it does not make it controversial. There is no ambiguity here.

    Torture is illegal. It is a crime. It is evil. There are no real-world circumstances under which it is justified. Everyone who condones it is un-American at best. Everyone who in any way facilitates it or tolerates it when they are in a position to stop it deserves long prison sentences. Anyone who directly commits it (as George W. Bush has admitted to doing) deserves to spend the rest of their lives in a maximum-security prison, and if their crimes resulted in any deaths (as it appears occurred in Bush's case), that constitutes first-degree murder with capital special circumstances.

    This is not a game. This is not a TV show. This is America in the 21st century, and anyone who looks with nostalgia on the Spanish Inquisition can kindly leave my country.
    I would like to see a poll that asks if people understand the definitions of genocide and torture. The closest thing we've seen to genocide on this side of the ocean is the unproportionate abortion rate among blacks and the advertising and consulting provided by Planned Parenthood that causes it.

    The closest thing we've seen to torture is Al Qaeda cutting people's limbs and heads off, not America pouring water on three people's heads. Torture is never justified in defense. Pouring water on someone's face is no more torture than making them stand in once place for 4 hours (at my old job I stood in one place for 10), or making them listen to uncomfortable noises or think their life is in danger. We can't by law do any of that to POWs, however, terrorists in civilian clothing caught in the middle of terrorist acts are not civilians, nor are they soldiers according to US law or the Geneva Conventions. Legally, we can do whatever want. But because we are a civilized society, we draw the line at pouring water on the faces of the most evil of terrorists who have killed thousands of American civilians. I'm ok with that.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    To the OP - is there any particular reason your poll only has one answer.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    To the OP - is there any particular reason your poll only has one answer.
    Obviously, because he's right about this and knows it - this poll is so we can agree with him.

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And so Bush is the only one who's ever crossed the line?
    As far as I'm aware everyone IN CONGRESS crossed the line when they knew what was going on and they permitted it to happen, anyway.

    In order for it to be considered unconstitutional - it first must be declared as 'torture' by the Supreme Court. You can't just decide that "this is torture . . . that is not" because *you* feel that way. In order to punish someone there must be a defined law which is broken or a regulation which is determined to be violated.

    Bush wasn't some Monarch gone crazy like Vlad the Impaler. He wasn't the only say-so in this decision. Many had the knowledge and power to speak out against him or to try to stop his decisions from going through - and some did try - but many did not and no one actually took necessary steps to stop him.

    So instead of pointing fingers and crying for his blood perhaps you should actually hold EVERYONE accountable who is at fault for the wrongdoing. He is but one figure in the entire picture.
    And he's not the only president to ever cross the line with the support of Congress.
    Supposedly Bush was the leader, and should set the example.
    He failed.
    So it's a game of 'follow the leader' hunh? That defense hasn't worked for anyone as so far.

    But that doesn't negate my point: there's a proper procedure to bring such charges against our president. . .if people really want to bring him under the judicial eye they need to follow that procedure.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    There is another poll up right now asking if "defense" justifies torture, and the absurdity of even asking the question has led me to ask an equally ridiculous, alternate-universe poll question: Does "defense" justify genocide? How about burning people at the stake? Surely if Jack Bauer had to, let's say, dismember and cannibalize some children on live TV in order to save America from a terrorist plot, that would be justifiable?

    The fact that anyone even considers it acceptable to treat the matter of torture as morally ambiguous is reprehensible - it is not ambiguous. Questioning something does not make it questionable; debating it does not make it debatable; arguing over it does not make it controversial. There is no ambiguity here.

    Torture is illegal. It is a crime. It is evil. There are no real-world circumstances under which it is justified. Everyone who condones it is un-American at best. Everyone who in any way facilitates it or tolerates it when they are in a position to stop it deserves long prison sentences. Anyone who directly commits it (as George W. Bush has admitted to doing) deserves to spend the rest of their lives in a maximum-security prison, and if their crimes resulted in any deaths (as it appears occurred in Bush's case), that constitutes first-degree murder with capital special circumstances.

    This is not a game. This is not a TV show. This is America in the 21st century, and anyone who looks with nostalgia on the Spanish Inquisition can kindly leave my country.
    Well I was going to answer your poll but then I read your post and found out that it is not even a serious poll but was instead nothing more than a rant from someone who does not wish to debate anything but instead has a closed mind.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    To the OP - is there any particular reason your poll only has one answer.
    Yes. Because it is either his way or no way.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes. Because it is either his way or no way.
    LOL Sounds like Bush "If you're not for us you're against us"
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Can we vote to have this poll removed from the poll section since it is not even a real or valid poll?
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