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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    I voted yes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    There is another poll up right now asking if "defense" justifies torture, and the absurdity of even asking the question has led me to ask an equally ridiculous, alternate-universe poll question: Does "defense" justify genocide?
    If there was an enemy that was committed to fighting to the death and to the last person, then yes. Seems obvious. Why would I stop fighting and killing my enemy only to let them kill me? It is ridiculous to think otherwise...

    How about burning people at the stake?
    Killing them is sufficient enough without getting hysterical, calm down...

    Surely if Jack Bauer had to, let's say, dismember and cannibalize some children on live TV in order to save America from a terrorist plot, that would be justifiable?
    Come back... reality is on this side of the line.

    The fact that anyone even considers it acceptable to treat the matter of torture as morally ambiguous is reprehensible - it is not ambiguous.
    I guess those of us that consider it will be alive and you wont. I won't spend too much time thinking about you and your refusal to survive though...

    Questioning something does not make it questionable; debating it does not make it debatable;
    Am I the only one confused here?

    arguing over it does not make it controversial. There is no ambiguity here.
    If you say so...

    Torture is illegal. It is a crime.
    Only because we passed laws making it so, all we have to do is change those laws and it would no longer be illegal...

    It is evil.
    Unless you are torturing an evil person that wants to kill you and your innocent loved ones for no reason other than hatred, so that you can get information that will help you stop others of like mind.

    There are no real-world circumstances under which it is justified.
    Oh please....

    Everyone who condones it is un-American at best.
    Dang, you're harsh...

    Everyone who in any way facilitates it or tolerates it when they are in a position to stop it deserves long prison sentences. Anyone who directly commits it (as George W. Bush has admitted to doing) deserves to spend the rest of their lives in a maximum-security prison, and if their crimes resulted in any deaths (as it appears occurred in Bush's case), that constitutes first-degree murder with capital special circumstances.
    Every person in America is in the position to stop it... through the power of voting. So, in essence, you are condemning tens of millions of people to first-degree murder with capital special circumstances. Pretty silly...

    This is not a game. This is not a TV show. This is America in the 21st century,
    No, this is the Internet and why don't you go spend some time with the Taliban and see if that changes your perspective at all...

    and anyone who looks with nostalgia on the Spanish Inquisition can kindly leave my country.
    Ahhh... those were the days. I remember the look on that one ladies face as she was just starting to burn at the stake... pure comedy.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    These are absolutely dumb questions. Winning justifies anything. History is quite clear that anything is forgiven if you win. How quickly did the entire Pacific and the U.S. cheer when Japan surrendered unconditionally? How easy was it for Germans to dismiss their own history of treatment towards people as long as all of Europe was under the Swastika? With Al-Queda an organizational wreck, how many people actually care about the three terrorists that were waterboarded?


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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    If one takes the time to understand what genocide really is defined as a better answer to the question becomes possible.

    Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

    In the case of a religious group like the Radical Cult of Islam, genocide is not just justified it's the only solution.

    Keep in mind that the vast majority of those who believe in Islam are not radicals and very very few women are in favor of of the subjugation that comes with it.

    I would say that if exposed to the openness and equality afforded to women in Western Society they would chose the West.

    So the answer to the central question, is yes, Defense not only Justifies it, it demands it if we are going to survive as a people and a Nation, because the only way to win against this Cult requires the total annihilation of every Member of the Cult, because if one member remains the threat also remains.

    You need to know where to start.

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    If one takes the time to understand what genocide really is defined as a better answer to the question becomes possible.

    Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

    In the case of a religious group like the Radical Cult of Islam, genocide is not just justified it's the only solution.

    Keep in mind that the vast majority of those who believe in Islam are not radicals and very very few women are in favor of of the subjugation that comes with it.

    I would say that if exposed to the openness and equality afforded to women in Western Society they would chose the West.

    So the answer to the central question, is yes, Defense not only Justifies it, it demands it if we are going to survive as a people and a Nation, because the only way to win against this Cult requires the total annihilation of every Member of the Cult, because if one member remains the threat also remains.

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Actually, I would argue that theoretically, genocide would be justifiable in defense of oneself or one's country under certain circumstances. If you were fighting an enemy who refused to surrender, and would continue to be a threat as long as any of them were alive, then genocide would be the only option. This is unlikely to come up in real life though.
    I was thinking something far more grand. Like an enemy capable of rapid production/spawn/replication that can only be stopped by total elimination.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    like the Replicators from Stargate.




    as to the original question; defense can justify genocide. consider, for example, the possible scenario where the last member of a dying tribe/ethnicty/whathaveyou attacks my family and threatens to rape my wife and burn my family alive; am I expected not to defend my family out of respect for the fact that this clown is a particular ethnicity?

    ah, but by killing him i am wiping that group out: i am committing genocide.

    hmmm


    nope, don't care. he's dead.

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    The inability of fellow liberals to do moral calculus is disappointing.

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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Genocide does not equate with harsh interrogation and torture. Torture is justified for defensive purposes. This poll is illogical.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Genocide = targetting race or ethnicity, for the purpose of eliminating it.

    Race or ethnicity do not threaten anything.
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    Re: Does defense justify genocide?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Slightly disturbing (and highly random) thought - put him in a santa suit, and he could easily pass for the guy...
    Body scanners for all Santas!!
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